[pianotech] OT: Re: Possible antivirus software misconceptions

Duaine Hechler dahechler at att.net
Thu Jan 10 13:36:06 MST 2013


They still - try - to invade - meaning they are still took in to the system (on your hard drive and/or in your email), 
however, they are ignored by Linux because Linux has no idea - what - to do with them.

Whereas, Windows will take them in - and - start them to run.

Is this better ?

Duaine

On 01/10/2013 12:34 PM, tnrwim at aol.com wrote:
> Duaine
> Perhaps I'm not explaining what I don't understand. There are viruses. The viruses invade computers. Some computers 
> run on Windows. Some computers run on Linux. Why don't the viruses invade computers that run on Linux?
> Wim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net>
> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 5:40 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] OT: Re: Possible antivirus software misconceptions
>
> As I said before, Linux does not know how to operate on windows software and
> supporting files (like Word & Excel macros)
> so they are ignored.
>
> This is way you have to have a virtualization software (VirtualBox) to actually
> be able to run Windows OS within Linux.
>
> Graphically:    Linux - VirtualBox - Windows xx
>
> I'm not sure how else to explain it.
>
> Duaine
>
> On 01/09/2013 10:59 PM,tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com>  wrote:
> > That's a copout. Back to my original question. Why isn't Linux effected by
> viruses?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>>
> > To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org  <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>>
> > Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:44 pm
> > Subject: Re: [pianotech] OT: Re: Possible antivirus software misconceptions
> >
> > Magic of the "computer age" !
> >
> > On 01/09/2013 08:25 PM,tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com>   <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>>  wrote:
> > > How can it do that?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>   
> <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes, correct.
> > >>
> > >> Duaine
> > >>
> > >> On 01/09/2013 06:36 PM,tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com>   <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>>  wrote:
> > >>> Duaine. I understand that concept. But a virus is an outside "part" that
> > effects both systems, kind of like humidity causes both to go out of tune. So
> > are you saying Linux is not effected by "humidity" changes, or outside
> viruses?
> > >>>
> > >>> Wim
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>   
> <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Well.....lets put it this way.............
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Since you know the difference between "uprights" and "grands".......
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Say Windows is equal to grands and say Linux / UNIX / Mac is equal to
> > uprights.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And lets assume that there are absolutely NO parts can cross into each
> > other - that's how it is between Windows vs. Linux / UNIX / Mac.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So Windows viruses / worms / etc will not work (fit onto) on Linux / UNIX
> /
> > Mac.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is this any clearer ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Duaine
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 01/09/2013 12:20 PM,tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com>   <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>>  wrote:
> > >>>>> Duaine
> > >>>>> You say it's fairly simple. But I have no idea what you're saying. You
> > might think it's simple, but you're explaining how to listen to beats between
> > notes to someone who is deaf. But thanks for trying.
> > >>>>> Wim
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>   <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>>
> > >>>>> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org  <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>   <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org  <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org?>>>
> > >>>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:10 pm
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Possible antivirus software misconceptions
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> After thought...........
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Way back in 2003, I found out that Microsoft is hiding behind Linux
> boxes
> > to
> > >>>>> protect their own butts from getting
> > >>>>> viruses / worms / etc.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 01/08/2013 12:31 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
> > >>>>>> It's fairly simple.........
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Other OS'es like Linux and Mac (since it is a derivative of UNIX /
> Linux)
> > have
> > >>>>> no idea what to do with "Windows" virus
> > >>>>>> / worms, etc.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> To get a little deeper in to it..........
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> "___.bat"     "____.exe"     "___.dll" are "executables" and Linux /
> UNIX
> > do
> > >>>>> NOT know how to operate on these types of
> > >>>>>> executables,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The Linux / UNIX "___.so" is more or less equivalent of the "___.dll"
> in
> > >>>>> Windows.
> > >>>>>> And, any of the MS Office macros are ignored by Linux's OpenOffice /
> > >>>>> LibreOffice.
> > >>>>>> As I've stated many times before, I'm going on 13+ years with NO
> > antivirus
> > >>>>> software - and - NO viruses / worms / etc.
> > >>>>>> Oh, and yes, there are antivirus software packages for Linux / UNIX,
> > which
> > >>>>> referencing above, I have never used one
> > >>>>>> (even though, I'm connected to the internet 24/7 and download stuff all
> > the
> > >>>>> time).
> > >>>>>> Duaine
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> P.S. There is a program called VirtualBox (virtualbox.org) that I run
> > within
> > >>>>> Linux to run a virtual "real" copy of
> > >>>>>> Windows XP - for all my "windows" needs.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 01/08/2013 11:36 AM,tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com>   <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>>
> <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>   <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com  <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>?>>  wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Duaine
> > >>>>>>> you said.
> > >>>>>>> "SO bottom line, antivirus software is as good as the ONLY known
> viruses
> > >>>>>>> - thus being forever in "responsive" or "reactive" mode.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Furthermore, the ONLY way to get out of this "reactionary" or "catch
> 22"
> > >>>>>>> mode is to get off Windows."
> > >>>>>>> If the anti virus software only catches known viruses on Windows,
> > wouldn't
> > >>>>> anti virus software only catch known
> > >>>>>>> viruses on any other operating system?  What's the difference?
> > >>>>>>> Wim
> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>   <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>
> <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>   <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>?>>>
> > >>>>>>> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org  <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>   <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org  <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org?>>
> <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org  <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org?>   <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org  <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org?>?>>>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:16 am
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [pianotech] Possible antivirus software misconceptions
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> When my brother-in-law was still on Windows using AVG antivirus
> > >>>>>>> software, he kept complaining about STILL getting viruses, worms, etc.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> In case you didn't know, antivirus software is a "reactionary"
> > >>>>>>> software package.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> They ONLY handle KNOWN viruses, worms, etc.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Meaning that if someone writes a NEW virus and it infects your
> > >>>>>>> computers, you can't blame it on the antivirus software (because they
> > >>>>>>> don't know about it yet).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> That virus that just hit you (and others) has to be reported and/or
> > >>>>>>> discovered by the antivirus software companies. THEN they have to
> write
> > >>>>>>> a "trap" for that virus, THEN roll it out to you as an update.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> SO bottom line, antivirus software is as good as the ONLY known
> viruses
> > >>>>>>> - thus being forever in "responsive" or "reactive" mode.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Furthermore, the ONLY way to get out of this "reactionary" or "catch
> 22"
> > >>>>>>> mode is to get off Windows.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Duaine Hechler
> > >>>>>>> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ
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> > >>>>>>>dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>   <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>   <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>   
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>
> > <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>   <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>?>?>>
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> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Duaine Hechler
> > >>>>> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding
> > >>>>> (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>   <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>
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> > >>>>> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Duaine Hechler
> > >>>> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding
> > >>>> (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>   <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>
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> > >>>> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Duaine Hechler
> > >> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding
> > >> (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>   <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>
> /www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com  <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com>   <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com>
> > >> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years
> > >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Duaine Hechler
> > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding
> > (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>   <mailto:dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>
> /www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com  <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com>   <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com>
> > Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years
> >
>
>
> -- 
> Duaine Hechler
> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding
> (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net  <mailto:dahechler at att.net>  /www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com  <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com>
> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years
>


-- 
Duaine Hechler
Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding
(314) 838-5587 / dahechler at att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com
Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years



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