Duaine, One of the problems Duaine is that so many of the "new" tuners seem to think that if it sounds OK then it is OK. I will agree that Tunelab and other machines do a good job, but, if you have a string that is incorrectly made then it will just stand out. A tuner using a machine will hear this and automatically tune be ear on that note then check it later with harmonics and re adjust to suit the piano. I hope. what I have found is that many "tuners" are tuning pianos and not regulating them or looking at other ways to increase the tone or ask the customer what they want. I must admit that I get embarassed going back to customers a year later and finding that the piano is out of tune by only 1% overall yet when I have finished the customer says 'thank you, I can hear the bells again'. well I am going a little deaf and I must admit I can't hear the bells referred to. To this I thank my knowledge of harmonics, partials and how to set up a program. However I remember one tuner you said "Now that most of the top tuners are using machines it has become easier to tune pianos after them." But please bear in mind that these top tuners all started tuning aurally and still check their tunings out. I think that this person was referring to the upper treble where an aural tuner changes from playing (example) F6 hold F7 listen to F6 and F7 hold together. This appears to make the tuning of F7 sharp. So yes, many Professional tuners may have a lot to learn but they can at least tell the difference if they do the right checks. Admittedly most of the pianos you tune have not been tuned by the top tuners. I remember about 35 years ago I refaced the hammers on a piano and regulated it (the tuning was almost spot on ((to me)) so I fluffed over it. The customer was exastic, over the moon, never has she heard the piano sound so good Blah blah blah. since then I have learned how to tune. But, for the customer, tuning seems to cover everything. Tony On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> wrote: > Now, Wim, > > How did I know you were going to answer back with some kind of > "non-professional" remark. > > Get your head out of the "dark ages", I bet there are thousands, maybe > even millions, of "professional" tuners just like me out their servicing > pianos that NEVER learned the "dark ages art" of aural tuning. > > Why do you think, at least in this respect, the organization is getting - > low - on RPT's ? > > BTW, the "computer age" has been here from quite some time, so you might > as well grasp it before - you - turn into a dinosaur ! > > Plus, as I've been lurking in this list, there are many RPT's that are > switching to the "machine age". > > Duaine > > On 05/10/2012 01:47 AM, tnrwim at aol.com wrote: > >> >> Gary, that is the part I can't do and/or understand !!!! >> >> >> Duaine >> This is what I don't understand. How can you not understand, much less >> actually do, tune a piano wiithout the use of a machine? That is why I made >> the "non-professional" comment. All you're doing is turning pegs with a >> tool until a machine tells you the peg has been turned the right amount. >> That's not knowing how to tune a piano. That's knowing how to manipulate a >> tool according to a machine. >> Wim >> > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ > Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding > Reed Organ Society Member > Florissant, MO 63034 > (314) 838-5587 > dahechler at att.net > www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com > -- > Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years > > -- Tony Caught tonycaught at gmail.com 0427 850 737 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20120510/feb19674/attachment-0001.htm>
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