[pianotech] FW: Re: glue and screws - was Wood? - straightening...

[Joseph Garrett]

Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
Captain of the Tool Police
Squares R I


> [Original Message]
> From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net>
> To: Joe Goss <imatunr at srvinet.com>
> Date: 7/1/2012 10:07:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] glue and screws - was Wood? - straightening...
>
> I just Don't Like them! Not appropriate for our needs. I have used them
in jigs and mockups, with limited success. Still prefer time tested
methods..
> Joe
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Joe Goss <imatunr at srvinet.com>
> > To: <joegarrett at earthlink.net>; <pianotech at ptg.org>
> > Date: 7/1/2012 6:43:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pianotech] glue and screws - was Wood? - straightening...
> >
> > I find sheetrock screws a problem when used in places where parts will
be 
> > removed often, or in new pianos that use fakey wood!
> > Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT
> > imatunr at srvinet.com
> > www.mothergoosetools.com
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Joseph Garrett" <joegarrett at earthlink.net>
> > To: "pianotech" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 7:20 PM
> > Subject: [pianotech] glue and screws - was Wood? - straightening...
> >
> >
> > > Ron N responded:
> > > Thumper,
> > >> As I said before, (you must have missed it<G>), Screws do not add
> > >> strength!! They, in fact, create problems of their own.
> > >
> > > Agreed, in something like a broken leg. Screws are, however, very good
> > > at pulling otherwise unclampable joints together. After the glue
dries,
> > > you can replace the screws with dowels - or not.
> > >
> > > Completely agree.<G>
> > >
> > >
> > >>Do not EVER us
> > >> those damned "sheet rock screws" in a piano!
> > >
> > > Sheetrock screws are quite handy in all sorts of applications
including
> > > pianos.
> > >
> > > O.K.? Would you be specific? Where are they useable in pianos? <G>
> > > I would say that Sheet Rock Screws are good for many things other than
> > > sheet rock. However, they have one flaw, (my perception), the threads
go
> > > all the way to the head, which makes it near-impossible to pull two
pieces
> > > together, unless you strip one side. This tends to make the user want
to
> > > over-cinch them and then they break.
> > >
> > >
> > >>They are made for Sheet
> > >> Rock! They are hardened, which makes them a real pain in the tush to
> > >> extract should they break...which they do more often than not.
> > >
> > > Then you need to learn how to use and install them. The hardness of
the
> > > screws is what makes them much more difficult to break then the
typical
> > > low grade imported junk that is sold for wood screws these days. I
> > > wouldn't be without them.
> > >
> > > Agree with your assessment of the current crap that is being foisted
off 
> > > on
> > > us. Still not sold on the Sheet Rock Screw as something that is
viable in
> > > our work.
> > >
> > >
> > >> HIDE GLUE is what the piano was put together
> > >> with.
> > >
> > > Not a reasonably recent piano.
> > >
> > > Excuse me, Ron, I was referring to an Old Chickering that Thumper is
> > > working on.  Pre WWII, not "reasonably recent piano(s)".<G>
> > >
> > >
> > >>Use that. any other Glue will not bond to hide glue very well.
> > >
> > > Roger that!
> > >
> > > Including epoxy, nor will any glue at all bond with the more modern
> > > glues when the joint fails, whatever you do.
> > >
> > > Totally agree. Especially all of the "experimental glues" that seem
to 
> > > make
> > > their way into the newer stuff, (post WWII and beyond!) Really
creates 
> > > some
> > > interesting problems to be sure.<G>
> > >
> > > Ron
> > > Regards,
> > > Joe
> > > Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
> > > Captain of the Tool Police
> > > Squares R I
> > >
> > > 
> >