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[David Love]

I wouldn't say sanguine on the outcome, I'm plenty cynical, or let's say
cautiously pessimistic.  But I don't think there's a con game going on.  Jim
says they're working on improvements and I take him at his word.  Let's see
what gets produced.   No matter what that is, of course, not everyone will
be happy.  Remember, there are some who like the new format and are not
participating in this discussion.  Anyway, there's still plenty of time and
opportunity to occupy the PTG.  Look at the bright side: we're probably more
than 1%.   I do agree with Del though, why waste good brandy (or bad for
that matter) on fruitcake.  

 

David Love

www.davidlovepianos.com

 

From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of David Skolnik
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:49 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] mailman list

 


Jim -
It is good to know that you continue to monitor this list and are willing to
respond.  There are a few points which leave me uneasy.

At 02:43 PM 1/3/2012, you wrote:



Folks, there is nothing political about whether this List survives or not.
It is Inevitable  that it will end as we know it.  Just like the wagon in
the pioneer days, party lines, the dial telephone, analog television and
cell phones the size of a brick, the world/technology continues to move on.


It would make sense, from a political (with a small 'p') point of view at
least, to have a clear explanation (re-explanation) as to the reason for
this Inevitability. I have read numerous opinions that suggest that this is
not entirely the case, so, rather than have it be a question of whether I
accept what you say, simply because you are the president, or because you
bolded and italicized words, realize that most of the subscribers would
probably be willing to adapt if a) the reasons were unassailable,  b) the
new venue worked, and c) the transition was adequately supported.




It is clearly understood by this Board as well as last year's that the new
website was launched too soon and without enough beta testing. We have good
people working on the problems and you will know well in advance when we are
ready to reintroduce the improved site.


I have no doubt the people working on this are good.  We're all good (except
maybe for Duaine).   Unfortunately, the message of that sentence, whether
intended or not, is: "Step back, we're on it, we'll work it out, stay out,
etc.".  You (the Board) still seem disinclined to open up the process.  You
(the Board) seem to be hoping that the noisy few will just fade away if only
you don't engage them. I'm pretty naive, especially for one sporting white
hair and not so good eyes.  That strategy might be effective, if that's what
you were looking to do, but I get the feeling that most of these noisy folks
would like to feel more a part of the process.   

Meanwhile, I share David Love's view that, there is, at least at this point,
no inherent relationship between replacing the Board and resolving our
issues about the lists.  What's more, I continue to believe that any such
discussion belongs on PTG-L, not here.  AND YET, as previously stated, the
line  between this open list and PTG becomes obscured when you write: 




In the meantime let's all work together for a better PTG.


It becomes hard to justify the sequestration of only certain utterances
pertaining to PTG, and not others.

Unfortunately, I don't share David's sanguinity with the current process, as
evidenced by what I said above.  In fact, he seems to propose the exact
opposite.  



if Jim says they are working on it then let them work on it.
if those improvements can be delivered then great.  If not, then people will
either suck it up or drop off.
But there's only one way to find out, let those who are working on it
continue to work on it until it's done 


Who is working on it and why such opacity?  
Suck it up or drop off?  I feel so much better knowing I have a choice.
There's only one way to find out?  No, I think there's more than one way.

Finally, a random thought (as opposed to what: you ask) :  It might be
politically (again, with a small 'p') effective to follow through with an
idea I posed to Kathy or Barbara:  Generate a written and edited transcript
of the Pianotech Live meeting that took place July 15, 2011 

http://my.ptg.org/resources/viewdocument/?DocumentKey=3bc48209-b939-4f51-b6f
a-92853063115a 

Whether everyone would agree with what was said is unclear, but it's
probably a worthwhile starting point.  

Cheers for New Year's -
David Skolnik RPT

And now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going across the hall to get some of that
brandy n' pudding that they're serving @ RonN's & ddf's & David L's
postings.  I'll prepare something nice next time.









 

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