[pianotech] new/old list...

[Terry Beckingham]

Mr. Coleman Jr.,

When you allow that silly advertisement for putting animation in your 
email, it takes 15-30 seconds for the email to open. If possible, can you 
PLEASE delete it from your posts.
Thank you.

Terry Beckingham

At 05:33 PM 10/26/2011 -0400, you wrote:
>I would be glad to respond to this if you re-post it to ptg-l
>
>Jim Coleman, Jr.
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>-------Original Message-------
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>From: <mailto:davidlovepianos at comcast.net>David Love
>Date: 10/26/2011 4:19:21 PM
>To: <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>pianotech at ptg.org
>Subject: Re: [pianotech] new/old list...
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>Greeting Ron.  I guess now I know why I haven't seen your name in awhile.
>
>
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>I'm curious about how ads are being run in the local community (of Chicago 
>I presume), who is running them and what the content is exactly.  I 
>presume from your post that it's a "hire only RPTs" type of ad.   Also, 
>how was it that the funding of those regional ads was paid for from the 
>national pool of funds?
>
>
>
>David Love
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>www.davidlovepianos.com
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>From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On 
>Behalf Of Ron Koval
>Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:07 AM
>To: pianotech at ptg.org
>Subject: [pianotech] new/old list...
>
>
>
>Yup, it's me.
>
>I pulled myself out of lurking mode to respond to what I felt was an 
>example of the reality of
>what lies just beneath the veneer of civility - that attitude of 
>entitlement and elitism that kept
>me away from the PTG for years.  I finally joined because of this list - 
>back when it was hosted
>by BYU - even before Andy Rudoff hosted.  The lure of an "open source" 
>discussion; where learning
>and teaching was valued by many of the technicians I'd get a chance to meet.
>
>Associate and non-member bashing really doesn't reflect well on the brand 
>of RPT.
>
>I read almost everything on this list, but don't respond too much 
>anymore.  It was instructive
>to go back into the archives to find out that this list began to be hosted 
>by the PTG in the fall
>of 2002.  Even after the move the list claimed: (from the "more info on 
>this list")
>
>The "pianotech" list, provided as a community service by the Piano 
>Technicians Guild, is a forum for piano technicians. The list resides on 
>the PTG server and is maintained by the PTG, but the PTG does not control 
>the content in any way.
>The "pianotech" list is an open list, allowing anyone to subscribe or 
>submit posts.
>
>Contrast that with the new list: (which runs too slow for me to use in a 
>meaningful way)
>
>"This site is provided as a service for the members of The Piano 
>Technicians Guild."
>
>Perhaps this could be a reason for the push to the new software?  I'm 
>troubled by this shift, perhaps as
>much as I am troubled by my (and your) dues money now being used for radio 
>ads in our local community
>that are at best a conflict of interest, and at worst a departure from the 
>truth.
>
> From what I understand, membership in the PTG accounts for about a third 
> of the working technicians in the states.
>Of those members, about a half are RPTs.  I've got to wonder about my 
>commitment of time and money
>to an organization that advertises against half of the membership...
>
>Ron Koval
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