I don't hear any of them complaining about not having a voice, as you did earlier in this thread. If you want a voice, join. If you don't want to join, don't expect to have a say in decisions. And remember, this is not a public forum, it is privately hosted by an organization that people PAY to belong to, and work to support. Even the harshest critics of this or that problem CONTRIBUTE time and effort to this organization, and many person-years have gone into evolving it to its present state. So your sneering dismissal of its membership categories, or its software issues, or frankly anything, are NOT appreciated and not welcome. In my view, you simply have no right to complain. Please try to make positive contributions and leave the gadfly attitude behind. I speak for myself, but I know there are plenty of others who agree. -- Mark Schecter On Oct 25, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> wrote: > However, I wonder how many more of "me's" lurking on the list that are expressing themselves and not members ? > > On 10/25/2011 08:40 AM, Mark Schecter wrote: >> Sorry, I had the context of the thread in mind, perhaps it wasn't obvious. I was referring to Duaine Hechler, who was once a member, then dropped, and is therefore self-disenfranchised. Those who pay dues are by definition enfranchised, so my statement really only applied to someone who had quit. If such a person continues to use the facilities, fine, they're made available to all and sundry. But if such a person continues to talk as if they expect their opinion should carry some weight, and they can't stop condemning the facilities they are using to complain, or worse, condemning the organization whose generosity gives them the pulpit they are spewing from (PTG), then at some point I think it becomes necessary to stand up and say, "Sir, if you so don't like it, why do you continue to hang around and complain? Why don't you leave? If you want someone to take your complaints seriously, you should join the organization. But if you want to make the case that the organization and its facilities don't meet your approval, buy an ad somewhere. Don't continue to annoy those whose efforts, time, and money make your participation possible, and expect to be warmly welcomed." >> >> Now do I make myself clear? >> >> -- Mark Schecter >> >> >> >> On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:04 AM, Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com <mailto:pianofritz50 at aol.com>> wrote: >> >>> Dear Mark, I think our PTG President just got done talking about ethics and not making statements that are absent data/facts. If you want to complain about those who do not pay dues, then name them. >>> But according to my.ptg.org <http://my.ptg.org>, if you search on Paul Williams, he is in fact a dues paying PTG member and RPT. >>> I also am a dues paying PTG member, and the St Louis chapter newsletter editor. >>> Since you did not mention "who" was not paying in your email, you threw anyone voicing dissatisfaction w/ any issues all into the same category, which shows your general statement is false. >>> "Just the facts, ma'am"... >>> Bill Fritz >>> From: Mark Schecter <mark at schecterpiano.com <mailto:mark at schecterpiano.com>> >>> To: pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org> <pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>> >>> Cc: pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org> <pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>> >>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] New List >>> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:29:26 -0700 >>> >>> No, and that's the point. Anyone who cares to sign up for a list can avail themself of the resources embodied in the lists, but in my mind, that generosity of PTG doesn't entitle them to unlimited griping rights. >>> >>> -- Mark Schecter >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Laura Olsen <ajoyfulsound at gmail.com <mailto:ajoyfulsound at gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't those self-disenfranchised peanut gallery folks pay dues?? >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Mark Schecter wrote: >>>> >>>>> Two separate issues. I actually don't know the dynamics of who decides and how. I'm just sick of schoolyard taunts from the self-disenfranchised peanut gallery. >>>>> >>>>> -- Mark Schecter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Paul T Williams <pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu <mailto:pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> But, apparently, we join, and still no vote! > > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ > Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding > Reed Organ Society Member > Florissant, MO 63034 > (314) 838-5587 > dahechler at att.net > www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com > -- > Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years > >
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