And I have stated before, after every tuning I do some necessary hecks - octaves - final check of unisons, etc. And play a little omething that I can remember from 40 years ago. -- uaine Hechler But, Duaine, what you don't seem to understand is that there are more checks that need to be made, other than octaves and unisons. There are progressive thirds, fourths, fifths, double octaves, 17ths, two octaves and a third, all the way up and down the keyboard. Some of these checks work on some pianos, but not others, and vice a versa. Some time you have to use a combination, or at least know what checks you need to make if one doesn't work. The ETD can do a good job. But the machine doesn't do it all. As I've said, and others have said that use both an ETD and have the ability to tune aurally, the ETD is a tool to help you get the end result. It's not to be used as the end result by itself. This is what Dean, and Paul, and Dave tell us constantly in their classes. (Oh, I forgot, you don't attend those kinds of classes when you go to a seminar). The reason listening to beats is taxing to your ears is because you don't know what your supposed to be listening for. Once you know what you are supposed to listen for, it actually becomes a pleasant sound, one that you look forward to hearing. You say you sing barbershop. Do you use an ETD to make you and the rest of the chorus sing in tune, or do you use your ears? I presume you use your ears. Is that taxing on your ears? It's that the same thing? Wim PS. One earns respect. So far I have not heard one thing you say that earns my respect. -----Original Message----- From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [pianotech] 4ths 5ths On 02/02/2011 12:20 AM, Susan Kline wrote: Duaine, your ears seem awfully easily taxed. What particular damage does listening to a couple of perfect fourths do to them? If you can't stand to listen to musical intervals, why are you tuning pianos? I'm a barbershop singer so I can stand to listen for "voice" chords. But to sit there on a piano and "find" the notes by subjecting myself to istening for - beats - which is damn near impossible on a lot of pianos deal with - is taxing on the ear. Which, BTW, is probably why, I know a few techs that - r e f u s e - to une anything other than grands. With due regard for your mother's opinion, stubbornness without logic to back it up does not win debates. What logic are you referring to ? As you perfectly well know, I made a numbered list of the places ETDs can fill, some of which ONLY they can fill, and expressed considerable respect for a number of people using them -- just not the ones who refuse to learn basic aural skills beforehand, or even afterward. (That is, respect must be earned.) I'm talking about the kind of respect - that says - I have the right to se and tune with ETD's - without - knowing the full mishmash of aural uning. And I have stated before, after every tuning I do some necessary hecks - octaves - final check of unisons, etc. And play a little omething that I can remember from 40 years ago. -- uaine Hechler iano, Player Piano, Pump Organ uning, Servicing & Rebuilding eed Organ Society Member lorissant, MO 63034 314) 838-5587 ahechler at att.net ww.hechlerpianoandorgan.com - ome & Business user of Linux - 11 years -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20110202/4156e582/attachment.htm>
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