I like it! Nice groove, great lyrics, makes you want to keep listening. I'm posting it. Do you have the lyrics in a file so I can post them also? If you don't that's fine. Finger picking with some slide ............ very nice. Thanks, David PS Melody's in the kitchen singing it still. ----- Original Message ----- From: <pianotech-request at ptg.org> To: <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: pianotech Digest, Vol 24, Issue 8 > Send pianotech mailing list submissions to > pianotech at ptg.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pianotech-request at ptg.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pianotech-owner at ptg.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pianotech digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Virgil (Mike Kurta) > 2. Re: Voicing the new Mason & Hamlins (Ryan Sowers) > 3. Re: Unknown hammers (Dale Erwin) > 4. Re: Unknown hammers (Jon Page) > 5. Institutional grand trucks (Ryan Sowers) > 6. Re: Unknown hammers (Dale Erwin) > 7. action center time bomb (Ron Nossaman) > 8. Re: action center time bomb (J Patrick Draine) > 9. Re: Institutional grand trucks (J Patrick Draine) > 10. Re: action center time bomb (Ryan Sowers) > 11. Re: Institutional grand trucks (Ryan Sowers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 07:52:54 -0400 > From: "Mike Kurta" <mkurta1 at charter.net> > To: <pianotech at ptg.org> > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Virgil > Message-ID: <43DAE270937E4A4CBB6235ED66D7C8B2 at HPa600N> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well said Bruce. > Mike Kurta > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101002/3e525257/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 07:40:19 -0700 > From: Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Voicing the new Mason & Hamlins > Message-ID: > <AANLkTik6aWG6Rv_mQgrfxMYDT1P+rh4jKyymi0MgE6VW at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Interesting idea David, > > I just ordered the compass needles but am wondering what you use for a > handle? > > - > Ryan Sowers, RPT > Puget Sound Chapter > Olympia, WA > www.pianova.net > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:29 PM, David Stanwood <stanwood at tiac.net> wrote: > >> Hi Nick, >> >> For Problem hammers that lack dynamic resiliency and gradation of density >> such as found on many heat forged and/or lacquered hammers of today I use >> a >> 13 degree needle directly the striking area of the hammer. These needles >> are available at: >> >> http://www.draftingsteals.com/20046.html >> >> The high open angle of the needle stops the point from going in too far >> so >> power is not compromised and it opens up the fibers from the surface >> down, >> creating warm pianissimo and color through the dynamic ranges. After an >> appropriate number of stabs I limber up the fibers to bring up the >> resiliency and work out any knots in the felt mass using the pean end of >> a >> 2oz ball pean hammer. I support the tail with a wood block and hammer >> away >> at the crown. It's non destructive and simulates playing in the hammers >> for >> a few months in a matter of seconds. I've been doing this for a couple >> of >> years now and have been sharing the method with my associates and it can >> work miracles on certain types of hammers. >> >> Good luck, >> >> David Stanwood >> >> >> List, >>> >>> A store client now floors four new Mason & Hamlins of different models. >>> They all seem to possess an inherent high quality tonal envelope and >>> sustain >>> (but tricky to fully assess as they are). Tone via hammers, >>> however ------ >>> all sections of the scale sound like artillery, and the melody section >>> more >>> like a gun shot in a tile bathroom. Bruce Clark at M&H informs that the >>> factory prefers to ship these pianos out "on the bright side as most >>> technicians are more comfortable taking the tone down rather than >>> building >>> it up". Obviously I want to retain appropriate power, but at the same >>> time >>> uncover the inherent musicality. >>> >>> I understand that M&H uses custom Renner hammers. Should I expect a ton >>> of >>> arm-straining needling ahead, or do these hammers respond relatively >>> quickly >>> and easily? >>> >>> Anyway, I would like to hear from those of you who have voiced these new >>> pianos. Any tips or advice would be appreciated (short of "rip out the >>> hammers and install something else" ---- a non-option). Just suck it up? >>> >>> Can anyone weigh in on the use of multi-needled voicing pliers? And >>> where >>> are these obtained? >>> >>> In any case, I'll let you know how it goes. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -- >>> Nick Gravagne, RPT >>> >> > > > - > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101002/0d80417f/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 10:51:38 -0400 > From: Dale Erwin <erwinspiano at aol.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Unknown hammers > Message-ID: <8CD30587378789E-198-E754 at webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Maybe I missed something But Pfriemer,made in N.Y. has been out of > business for 60 years or more. So these aren't them unless the CHinese > bought the name Rays Dad worked for them before forming Ronsen. Pfriemer > made quality hammers > Ronsen comes from combining parts of their names.. Neg---Ron and > BobJohan---sen who was Rays Dads partner > > > > > > Dale S. Erwin > www.Erwinspiano.com > Custom piano restoration > Ronsen piano hammers-sales > R & D and tech support > Sitka soundboard panels > 209-577-8397 > 209-985-0990 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wim Blees <tnrwim at aol.com> > To: Pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> > Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 11:02 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Unknown hammers > > > The big promblen I see with these hammers is shape & thickness of tails. > If > you're going to use them you'll have some tail shaping to do. > > Wim > > Sent from my HTC PURE?, a Windows? phone from AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net> > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:21 AM > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Unknown hammers > > With the yellow 'reinforcement', I'd say Pfriemer. > > When hanging a new set, to determine the strike point: > Glue a strip of card to the side of the hammer to align > the SP of the new. > > Of you could just measure to the center of the hammer and hang it 90 > degrees. > -- > > Regards, > > Jon Page > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101002/31689714/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:57:39 -0400 > From: Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Unknown hammers > Message-ID: <a0624082fc8ccf8b9ec95@[10.0.1.2]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" > >>Maybe I missed something But Pfriemer,made in N.Y. has been out of >>business for 60 years or more. > > They were still being made when I started in the early 70's. > -- > > Regards, > > Jon Page > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101002/098563e6/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:15:39 -0700 > From: Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: [pianotech] Institutional grand trucks > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimDjWBX+P-uvLroR9mXND+pRqNXzhdeb+WN-T9p at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Is there much of a difference between the grand piano trucks sold by Paul > Jansen , Schaff, and Pianotek? I've been using Jansen but I'm curious if > there are any advantages or disadvantages of the different trucks > available > or are they all pretty much the same. (Maybe they're all made by the same > company?) > > -- > Ryan Sowers, RPT > Puget Sound Chapter > Olympia, WA > www.pianova.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101002/c436599a/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 12:15:29 -0400 > From: Dale Erwin <erwinspiano at aol.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Unknown hammers > Message-ID: <8CD30642A44567C-198-FD45 at webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My mistake > > > > > Dale S. Erwin > www.Erwinspiano.com > Custom piano restoration > Ronsen piano hammers-sales > R & D and tech support > Sitka soundboard panels > 209-577-8397 > 209-985-0990 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Sat, Oct 2, 2010 7:57 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Unknown hammers > > > MaybeI missed something But Pfriemer,made in N.Y. has been out of > businessfor 60 years or more. > > They were still being made when I started in the early 70's. > -- > > > Regards, > > Jon Page > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101002/e70b55b4/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 11:32:27 -0500 > From: Ron Nossaman <rnossaman at cox.net> > To: Pianotech <Pianotech at ptg.org> > Subject: [pianotech] action center time bomb > Message-ID: <4CA75E9B.2050708 at cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > I serviced a Nordiska grand yesterday. It wasn't that far out of tune, > and being in the beginning of seasonal transition, it was a lousy time > to be doing a church tuning. But - there was this sticking damper, you > see, which was the real reason for the tuning. > > I pulled the action, and crawled into the cavity with whatever light > sources I could point in the general direction of the problem, and > started looking. I centered the wire, eliminating side pressure on the > bushing, and that helped, but didn't do it, so I pulled the wire. Yup, > the post pinning was way tight. I dropped the sostenuto and raised the > up stop rail out of the way, and got the under lever out. Yup, the > flange pinning was way tight too. So I repinned and FINALLY managed to > get the sucker back in (the screws are flat ended, and too hard to > file). When I had the lever out, I showed the office resident what the > problem was and promised him that this wasn't the end of it. I suggested > doing the one for now, and when the others start seizing up too and > force the issue, we could do the set then. > > Now, for those of you with some experience with Nordiska, besides having > the usual painfully strident, thin, and LOUD sound, and the heaviest > music desk on the planet (I like that one), is this center pinning thing > typical? > Ron N > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:50:07 -0400 > From: J Patrick Draine <jpdraine at gmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] action center time bomb > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikWtqWKE_3YHfd1T0dXBu7C7YTrc3_=kDDP7Gij at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > My experience with Nordiska is fairly limited, but I would say the > ?ber-tight damper flange problem is not uncommon for pianos, such as the > Nordiska, made at Dongbei Piano. Especially if they aren't "dealer > prepped" > to the nth degree, which I have failed to find in the field. > Patrick Draine > BrickaMASS > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Ron Nossaman <rnossaman at cox.net> wrote: > >> >> I serviced a Nordiska grand yesterday. It wasn't that far out of tune, >> and >> being in the beginning of seasonal transition, it was a lousy time to be >> doing a church tuning. But - there was this sticking damper, you see, >> which >> was the real reason for the tuning. >> >> I pulled the action, and crawled into the cavity with whatever light >> sources I could point in the general direction of the problem, and >> started >> looking. I centered the wire, eliminating side pressure on the bushing, >> and >> that helped, but didn't do it, so I pulled the wire. Yup, the post >> pinning >> was way tight. I dropped the sostenuto and raised the up stop rail out of >> the way, and got the under lever out. Yup, the flange pinning was way >> tight >> too. So I repinned and FINALLY managed to get the sucker back in (the >> screws >> are flat ended, and too hard to file). When I had the lever out, I showed >> the office resident what the problem was and promised him that this >> wasn't >> the end of it. I suggested doing the one for now, and when the others >> start >> seizing up too and force the issue, we could do the set then. >> >> Now, for those of you with some experience with Nordiska, besides having >> the usual painfully strident, thin, and LOUD sound, and the heaviest >> music >> desk on the planet (I like that one), is this center pinning thing >> typical? >> Ron N >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101002/92432687/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:59:35 -0400 > From: J Patrick Draine <jpdraine at gmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Institutional grand trucks > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimgctpjF3WOET=0XN5_b8Hx+RbZO+3Sv85z+L+f at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jansen's customer service and "beyond warranty" support are unsurpassed > (they are the manufacturers, and can customer order to your needs). I > believe Schaff and Pianotek carry Jansen's stuff, but they may be sourcing > elsewhere. > Go With Jansen! > Patrick Draine > Billerica MA > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is there much of a difference between the grand piano trucks sold by Paul >> Jansen , Schaff, and Pianotek? I've been using Jansen but I'm curious if >> there are any advantages or disadvantages of the different trucks >> available >> or are they all pretty much the same. (Maybe they're all made by the same >> company?) >> >> -- >> Ryan Sowers, RPT >> Puget Sound Chapter >> Olympia, WA >> www.pianova.net >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101002/e6cce62c/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:01:27 -0700 > From: Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] action center time bomb > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=VO4=40S-4KM=-Y6Y0w+FJu41WSQ+EonsL0pu4 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I've encountered this a lot on older Samicks and Young Changs. I remember > talking to Phil Glen about this when he worked for Young Chang, he claimed > that the bushings were overly dense and with use they actually begin to > unpack slightly causing the center to seize up. It's almost always the > most > used notes that have the problem. I don't think Alcohol and water will > work > in this type of situation. Reaming and changing pins is the way to go. > More > work for us! Yay! (As if there wasn't enough already!) > > -- > Ryan Sowers, RPT > Puget Sound Chapter > Olympia, WA > www.pianova.net > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Ron Nossaman <rnossaman at cox.net> wrote: > >> >> I serviced a Nordiska grand yesterday. It wasn't that far out of tune, >> and >> being in the beginning of seasonal transition, it was a lousy time to be >> doing a church tuning. But - there was this sticking damper, you see, >> which >> was the real reason for the tuning. >> >> I pulled the action, and crawled into the cavity with whatever light >> sources I could point in the general direction of the problem, and >> started >> looking. I centered the wire, eliminating side pressure on the bushing, >> and >> that helped, but didn't do it, so I pulled the wire. Yup, the post >> pinning >> was way tight. I dropped the sostenuto and raised the up stop rail out of >> the way, and got the under lever out. Yup, the flange pinning was way >> tight >> too. So I repinned and FINALLY managed to get the sucker back in (the >> screws >> are flat ended, and too hard to file). When I had the lever out, I showed >> the office resident what the problem was and promised him that this >> wasn't >> the end of it. I suggested doing the one for now, and when the others >> start >> seizing up too and force the issue, we could do the set then. >> >> Now, for those of you with some experience with Nordiska, besides having >> the usual painfully strident, thin, and LOUD sound, and the heaviest >> music >> desk on the planet (I like that one), is this center pinning thing >> typical? >> Ron N >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101002/f6636366/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:04:37 -0700 > From: Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Institutional grand trucks > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=5FooJE71z79sTPESauxu+u88Nc01qJsV6E0PB at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That's been my instinct! In fact, the truck I just installed for a church > had metal caster cup plates that were too small. Paul was so friendly and > put a set of larger ones in the mail that same day, and just asked me to > send the others back to him. By the way, He's on the schedule for teaching > a > class about artist bench maintenance and repair in Kansas City next July! > > Thanks Patrick! > > -- > Ryan Sowers, RPT > Puget Sound Chapter > Olympia, WA > www.pianova.net > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM, J Patrick Draine <jpdraine at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Jansen's customer service and "beyond warranty" support are unsurpassed >> (they are the manufacturers, and can customer order to your needs). I >> believe Schaff and Pianotek carry Jansen's stuff, but they may be >> sourcing >> elsewhere. >> Go With Jansen! >> Patrick Draine >> Billerica MA >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Is there much of a difference between the grand piano trucks sold by >>> Paul >>> Jansen , Schaff, and Pianotek? I've been using Jansen but I'm curious if >>> there are any advantages or disadvantages of the different trucks >>> available >>> or are they all pretty much the same. (Maybe they're all made by the >>> same >>> company?) >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan Sowers, RPT >>> Puget Sound Chapter >>> Olympia, WA >>> www.pianova.net >>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101002/15953dd3/attachment.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech mailing list > pianotech at ptg.org > http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech > > > End of pianotech Digest, Vol 24, Issue 8 > ****************************************
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