[pianotech] Wiping Rusty Strings W/Oil

Noah Frere noahfrere at gmail.com
Fri Oct 1 14:02:18 MDT 2010


Michael, so the first tuning on a seriously flat piano is a rough single
tuning to near 440, but then you come back a few weeks later and fine tune
it?

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Michael Magness <ifixpiano at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 5:19 PM, William Monroe <bill at a440piano.net>wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Though some posters tend to word things rather strongly (as have you), I'd
>> suggest taking it in stride.  Most of us have a hard time at one point or
>> another when our belief systems are questioned.
>>
>> You wrote: "I would gladly consider changing methods if Tom can explain
>> what has radically changed about piano tensions, soundboards, bridges,
>> strings & the climate affecting them over the last 41 years that would cause
>> me to."
>>
>> It's not the piano that has changed it's our understanding of and
>> application of the physics of pianos.  The world used to be flat too.  It
>> didn't change, our understanding did.  Those who were entrenched in their
>> belief system accepted it much less rapidly than others.
>>
>> You wrote, "...premise about the drop being because of back scale tension
>> I find highly unlikely as I pound my tunings in, again an old habit I was
>> taught was best & that has served me well."
>>
>> Again, you seem to have a belief system that suggests that pounding in a
>> tuning stabilizes back scale tensions adequately.  Ron (and others) believe
>> this to be a false premise.  Simply believing that what you've done for your
>> entire career doesn't make it true.
>>
>>  You wrote, "As for my comments about Protek, IMHO I got along without it
>> for the first 30 years of my career & after I purchased some I did not find
>> it to be the panacea that many others have. "
>>
>> No one is suggesting that Protek is a panacea.  They (and I) firmly
>> believe it reduces friction at the capo and agraffes - I also use it on the
>> Steinway Ski Slope when it seems justified.  It does reduce friction, simple
>> as that, and a reduction in friction of bearing points cannot do anything
>> but reduce the incidence of broken strings.  No panacea, just judicious
>> application of modern materials.
>>
>> You wrote, "Obviously I'm totally wrong about strings stretching, that
>> would explain why none of us EVER has to return to touchup those new
>> strings. It also explains why we don't have to tune new or newly restrung
>> pianos any more often than old pianos.
>>  I know there is the bending of/settling of the wire around the bridge
>> pins, agraffes, etc. sometimes for a year ot more but no stretching."
>>
>> I'm not sure if you are still being sarcastic or if you indeed are
>> recognizing that strings do undergo an initial stretch as they are brought
>> to a specified tension, but that continued stretching (creep) does not
>> happen in any measurable way without a corresponding increase in tension.
>>  We do return to touch up the new string because of wire bending, (probably
>> primarily) and who knows what other forces/movements, but not string creep.
>>
>> Having said all this, I think many of us would do well to recognize that
>> when our belief systems (some long established) are being challenged, that
>> is a good thing.  That is how learning and professional growth happen.  It
>> doesn't mean we haven't been (or aren't continuing to do) great work.  I
>> think most of us on this list are.  But we certainly need to be open to new
>> thought, lest we stagnate into a puddle.  ;-]
>>
>> William R. Monroe
>>
>
>
> William,
>
> I thank you for your good, reasoned words, I do believe there is truth in
> what others have said & my credo has always been that I have more to learn
> that if I stop learning I should find something else to do.
> I also believe however a 1/2 tone flat piano goes out of tune after the
> initial pitch raise, regardless of the number of passes & returning it to
> pitch  & fine tuning in one sitting is not possible, except for a short term
>
> My point was that I spend time with my customers, I educate my customers, I
> don't leave them with the impression that they can ignore tuning their piano
> for 10 years or more & it can be rectified in an hour & 1/2.
>
> One of the techs in our chapter has done pitch raises on pianos in his shop
> & they don't drop in pitch over a month or so, he questioned the necessity
> of re-tuning, upon questioning it was revealed the pianos in question
> weren't played.
>
> The point is there are different situations we are discussing here, when I
> do the initial pitch raise, I encourage the customers to play the piano as
> much as possible. I've found I get a better finish tune when I return.
>
> I will consider what I have learned here, as I would expect others to
> consider what I have to offer.
>
> Mike
> I think we are a product of all our experiences.
> Sanford I. Weill<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/sanfordiw283095.html>
>
>
> Michael Magness
> Magness Piano Service
> 608-786-4404
> www.IFixPianos.com <http://www.ifixpianos.com/>
> email mike at ifixpianos.com
>
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