[pianotech] 2nd Bad Client in 10+ Years - Seeking Advice

Terry Farrell mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com
Tue Mar 23 08:30:56 MDT 2010


Sorry for this double posting, but I just remembered that I need to  
state that I am an associate member, so I don't think that I am  
allowed to pass out PTG literature (that is soooo stupid) that would  
maybe go a long way in helping these folks.

Terry Farrell

On Mar 23, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Terry Farrell wrote:

> I'll try to make this as short and clear as I can. A piano teacher  
> calls me asking $$ for tuning. I tell her my standard fee. She asks  
> if I give discounts if she can get some of her students pianos for  
> tunings. I said I don't discount. She asks again. Business is a bit  
> slow due to economy. I said that I do discount $10 off a tuning for  
> churches or other organizations with multiple pianos where I can  
> submit one invoice. She asks if I can do that for her and her  
> students. I want more work, so I relent (yeah, yeah, you know where  
> this post is going, don't you?)...... Okay, standard $$ less $10 for  
> you and your students - if we can get them to schedule on the same  
> day, etc. so it works well for me. Agreement reached.
>
> First of all, it took me three visits to tune her Yamaha upright  
> (nice piano). First visit I raised the pitch about 15 cents (she did  
> move the piano from out of state, and was somewhat flabbergasted  
> that it was off pitch because she has it tuned every year). While  
> raising the pitch, about 15 little children showed up along with  
> about 5 young mothers - kids screaming, TV blaring, moms chattering  
> - you get the picture. I told her I could not tune her piano with  
> all the noise - let's reschedule. She agreed and apologized for the  
> noise - the new appt. would be noise-free she said - we set it for a  
> few days away at 4 PM - I told her it would take me an hour to tune  
> her piano. I was over on the far side of town that afternoon on  
> appointments and ended arriving at problem piano teacher (PPT) at  
> 4:30 PM. She let's me in the door and asks why I wasn't there at 4.  
> I told her my schedule and work got me here at 4:30 (with an  
> apology). She said she had a date with her husband at 6 and needed  
> to start getting ready at 5. I said okay. She said she was  
> uncomfortable with me in the home after 5. I said "okay, I  
> understand, I apologize for the confusion, let's reschedule - is  
> tomorrow at X okay?" She said that would be good. Show up for the  
> third time (Saturday afternoon - she had a recital that evening and  
> I wanted to be sure to have her piano tuned for it), give the nice  
> Yamy a darn good tuning. She wrote me a check for PR + Tune less $10.
>
> Before I left, she asked me if I could fix her player unit  
> (disclavier (sp?)) - turned out it worked okay, but after she played  
> a bunch of pieces, I asked her if that was a quiet at the unit would  
> play (the best it could do was approaching forte!). She said yes,  
> that was as quiet as it would play - and then added that level was  
> as quiet as SHE could play the piano. I said something like "I'm  
> sure you can play quieter", she said no. I opened the piano lid and  
> looked at let-off. Most hammers were letting off at 1/4" to 3/8". I  
> explained about action regulation and how excessive let-off would  
> make it difficult to play quietly. She said she understood and that  
> my explanation made sense. I told her if she ever wanted to improve  
> the performance of her piano, we could schedule an action  
> regulation. She said she would think about it. Great.
>
> So the next day I tune the piano of one of her students. This was  
> the Funky-Case 1959 Wurly console I posted about yesterday. This  
> piano had seen A LOT of HARD playing - like it had been in a  
> southern Baptist church for many years. The entire middle section of  
> keys were low (key-leveling low), for whatever reason, let-off was  
> about a micron away from the strings (those notes that went through  
> let-off), excessive lost motion, and needless to say, the entire mid- 
> section of the action had bobbling hammers. You could get most of  
> them to strike the string once if you really whacked the key, but  
> most of them would bobble on a medium blow. All hammers were deeply  
> grooved. Several hammers were flat because their center pins had  
> walked out and they moved erratically (wildly). Another 8 or 10 were  
> very loose and you could see the pins had walked. Another dozen or  
> so felt okay, but you could see the pins walking. An old stick &  
> wire repair on a hammer shank fell off while I was testing things.
>
> I discussed the piano ailments with the owners. The player was a  
> young child playing only a few months. I recommended three levels  
> piano improvement: 1) replace piano now; 2) do minimal regulation  
> and repair to make the piano functional and reasonable for a  
> beginner student and then replace piano within a year or two; 3) if  
> the piano were not going to be replaced, then I recommended full  
> action regulation and repairs. Hubby asked repeatedly if we  
> shouldn't do the full monty anyway, I said that was fine, but that  
> if they were going to replace it within a couple years, that I could  
> make it function reasonably well for half the full monty cost. They  
> agreed to the minimal regulation/repair approach to restore  
> function. I told them I would call them to schedule the work.
>
> Before I left, I raised the pitch of the piano 50 to 90 cents and  
> spliced a bass string that broke during the pitch raise (man, that  
> was the loudest break I have heard yet!). Told them we could settle  
> up $$ when I complete all the work.
>
> Except for three trips to tune PPT piano, sounds okay so far - right?
>
> So, yesterday evening, PPT calls and leaves message - "How come you  
> are charging Mrs. Funky Case (FC) $X to tune her piano when mine  
> only cost $X/4?"  PPT apparently played the FC piano when they  
> bought it ($300) a few months back - she concluded that the piano  
> played just fine. I called her back after waiting for the smoke to  
> stop coming out of my ears....... I explained to her about action  
> wear and regulation. Fortunately I was able to incorporate what PPT  
> and I had talked about with the excessive let-off on PPT Yamy. I  
> also explained that half the notes on FC piano had gone so far out  
> of regulation that they were bobbling (multiple strikes) AND that  
> several hammer/butt assemblies where FALLING OFF AND that another  
> dozen were very loose. She explained to me that FC didn't even want  
> to tune the piano, but that PPT had told FC that the piano was  
> sooooo far out of tune that she really should have it tuned (wow,  
> imagine that). She told me there was no reason to do any more work  
> on FC piano that what I did to her piano (PR + tune). I bit my  
> tongue and said that was fine with me, but that the piano was  
> untunable as notes were bobbling and hammers were falling off and  
> were not even hitting a number of strings and that I would not be  
> able to tune the piano. Goodbye!  (I was maybe a tad huffy, but  
> given the situation, I think I kept it quite reasonably under  
> control.)
>
> Okay. There it is, that brings anyone that has read this long  
> diatribe this far up to the current situation. I'm of two minds: 1)  
> Do not do any more business with PPT or ANY client spun off from her  
> AND, when someone calls asking for a discount, tell them YOU DON"T  
> DISCOUNT PERIOD!!!!; or 2) Do whatever FC wants and try to make them  
> as happy as possible. Mrs. FC and Mr. FC really seemed very nice and  
> concerned about having a decent piano for their children (four) to  
> play.
>
> Believe me, I have no problem at all walking away from ANY work  
> related to PPT and her spin-offs. I value peace and low stress in my  
> life. BUT, I would like to help them if they want to have their  
> children playing on a functional piano. Can anyone think of an  
> approach to convey to Mr. & Mrs. FC that I'm not trying to rip them  
> off, that their piano is worn to the point of disfunction, and that  
> it will be a detriment to their children's piano progress and  
> experience to have to practice on that piano in its current  
> condition. Heck, I don't really need to take the action back to my  
> shop to repin a dozen action centers - the main reason I was going  
> to take the action back to my shop was that I was going to file the  
> hammers at no charge - that didn't need to be done to restore  
> function, but I just couldn't stand it!
>
> I find this situation bizzare. I knew it, I knew it, I knew it.  
> Right after I got off the phone with PPT when we set our initial  
> appointment, I walked over to my wife and told her about the  
> discount, and I said that I just know something really funky is  
> going to happen with this teacher. I know I shouldn't have given her  
> a discount, but with business being a little on the slow side, I'd  
> rather tune several pianos at $10 off rather than zero pianos at  
> full price - but I just know something bad is going to shake out  
> from doing this.
>
> Any suggestions to help four kids get a functioning set of keys  
> under their little fingers?
>
> Oh, and, I have not yet called FC back to pick up action (since PPT  
> told them there was no reason to repair/regulate their piano).
>
> I'm glad this list is here for venting. I feel a bit better!    
> Thanks!   :-)
>
> Terry Farrell
>
> PS, I hope there are not too many misspellings and grammatical  
> errors in this post. I usually re-read before sending, but in this  
> case, in an effort to not get all steamed up again, I'm just going  
> to hit send now!
>
>



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