[pianotech] 1880s Steinway Grand - viable project or no?

Terry Farrell mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com
Sun Mar 14 05:23:46 MDT 2010


John - Regarding the soundboard & oil-canning, etc. - it's not a  
pitfall if you simply plan on replacing the soundboard! Many (most -  
hopefully!) of us would not even consider rebuilding a piano like that  
without planning on soundboard replacement - and redesign, preferably.

Terry Farrell

On Mar 13, 2010, at 11:32 PM, John Dorr wrote:

> Thanks for your answers thus far, guys.  I'd like to respond to  
> what's been sent so far.  Pardon the formatting... my email server  
> is very basic.  I hope my interspersed answers and comments are  
> discernible.
>
> Paul Revenko-Jones wrote:
> "If you are not seriously determined to replace the board, you might  
> rethink that. The piano may have "measured crown" (vague meaning  
> there), but it might well be false crown with the board suspended by  
> the strings across the bridges. You would be restringing over the  
> old board which may well collapse further upon de-stringing, and  
> then be asked to support new bearing. And how are you measuring  
> bearing, if I might ask? Just a thought. Otherwise, go for it! :-)"
>
>      Ok, I measured downbearing by the ol' rocker guage.  I put the  
> middle foot on the bridge and was able to rock it to each side.   
> That's about all I know of how to check it.  Please, anybody,  
> enlighten me of a better way.  Last I heard, (on this list)  
> Steinway's "spec" was "SOME downbearing."  So there is that.   
> Bearing that in mind, I didn't put a feeler guage under either end.
>
>      I remember reading somewhat recently about what you're talking  
> about.. that once the strings, which may be holding the board UP,  
> are loosened that the board may "oil-can" downwards.  What would be  
> the good test for this?  I would THINK they'd let me loosen all the  
> strings and then re-check for crown, because they're not using the  
> piano anymore.  Would that be a good test?
>
>      Thanks for reminding me of that possible pitfall!
>
>
> Kent Swafford wrote:
> "We happen to have an 1881 85-note A in the shop right now. It's a  
> very nice piano. We have had a few surprises (mostly because of some  
> rebuilding work that was done at Steinway in the 1940's) but modern  
> parts appear to work just fine. Name another product built in 1881  
> for which you can still buy parts!You might have a good piano there."
>
>       Thanks for the encouragement, Kent.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/13/2010 7:15:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, davidlovepianos at comcast.net 
>  writes:
> "If you are doing this as a spec project figure out a realistic   
> value whenit's done (that age and only 85 notes is worth less than a  
> more modernSteinway), figure out the cost to get it there including  
> a new soundboard(if it's the original board it's too old no matter  
> what it looks like), newpinblock/stretcher construction if it's one  
> of those partial plates, finish,case parts, action, moving, cost of  
> selling (commissions).  Figure out thevalue added that you'd like to  
> make on top of just your time (you must havesome incentive for the  
> risk you are taking other than just your hourlywage).  Add 6% per  
> annum opportunity cost (what you might have earned withthe money  
> otherwise that will be tied up for period of time you will beworking  
> on it).  Subtract the costs from the value and see if there's stilla  
> positive number that you can offer and expect a reasonable return.  
> CallSteinway first and see if they want to buy it as a historical  
> record pieceand compare.  Keep in mind that it's a different market  
> than it was twoyears ago and the prospects for a change are  
> uncertain, to say the least. David Love"
>
>    Thanks, David.  I'm in total agreement with Paul.  That IS care.   
> And, yes, that's how I'll arrive at a bid price to buy it, with a  
> 15% goof-up factor on top of all estimates.  I wouldn't have thought  
> of calling Steinway first, so thanks for that.  And I wouldn't have  
> factored in the time value of money, so I'll do that, too.
>
>     Anybody got a rough idea of the value of a good 1881 Steinway 6  
> footer? (Subtract 15-20% for Montana!)
>
>     I'm well aware of the downward trending of piano values, and  
> that this would be a highly speculative endeavor.  But I'm also just  
> intrigued with the process of restoration, and I realize I'll  
> probably have to "pay for my education" in this process.  To this  
> point, I've only taken some beaters of no great interest and made  
> them play well and hold a tune.  I want to take the next step and  
> restore some pianos, and learn about refinishing.  (I'll farm out  
> this piano for the refinishing, though.)
>
>
>    Again, thanks to you who have responded thus far, and I hope this  
> discussion might also foster some interesting tangents on rebuilding  
> pitfalls and potholes - possibly even some anecdotes of unexpectedly  
> wild success.  (Do those even exist?)
>
> John Dorr, RPT
> Helena, MT
>



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