[pianotech] What is the brand name was Re: Tuning pin torque?!?!?

[Scott Gray]

What if it was a Steinway... Oh crap!...
Or a Bosendorfer... Wow!... See ya don't know, do ya.  How do you make 
those little Umlouts over the "o" anyway?

I bet it was a Kawai.

Just adding to the mayhem (grin)

Scott ¢


On 2/24/2010 7:00 PM, David Ilvedson wrote:
> Which Chinese built piano was it?
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> David Ilvedson, RPT
> Pacifica, CA  94044
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> From: "Nick Gravagne"<gravagnegang at att.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Received: 2/24/2010 10:09:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Tuning pin torque?!?!?
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>> Really, my friends on the list; this thread has now passed the point of
>> Jame's simple inquiry for input RE tuning pin torque and is about to
>> spin out of control. Where else should he go to get a simple answer to a
>> simple question?
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>> As I read Jame's post I read four simple sentences:
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>> 1) I have recently purchased several new pianos and discovered during
>> the initial tunings what I believe to be minimal tuning pin torque.
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>> 2) The pins feel "spongy" and difficult to set.
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>> 3) Is there an industry standard for pin torque, and if so, what should
>> that torque value be in inch pounds?
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>> 4) Any data on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
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>> If we ignore question 1, then the following three sentences and
>> questions cannot be clearer.
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>> Certainly, all those who would like to know the make and model of these
>> "new pianos" James has purchased make excellent points; and yes
>> inquiring minds do want to know. But anyone can see that Mr. Williams
>> has personal reasons why he doesn't wish to share this piece of
>> information. Whether we agree with what we hypothesize are his reasons
>> for silence is not the issue.
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>> Why not respect his wishes and simply answer the uncomplicated questions
>> he has put forth to a technical community best informed to do so. As it
>> is, I am less curious as to the make of pianos as I am to the dearth of
>> answers RE torque. I read only one post with an answer --- David Love's.
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>> I agree more or less with David:
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>> "Probably about 60 lbs is minimum but on a new piano you'd like to see
>> around 90 - 120 but there is quite a range."
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>> Yes there is quite a range, but as practical tuners with thousands of
>> tunings under our belts, we also know that there is a "tunable range"
>> and on either side of this range the piano is "un-tunable". I also
>> prefer the 100 lb. range (plus or minus), but Mr. Williams has told us
>> of an exceedingly low torque. Surely no one would insist that Yamahas,
>> for example, tune best at 75 lbs, or that Steinways must exceed 150 or
>> there is no hope; the point being that the make of these pianos is not
>> critical to the simple questions put forth.
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>> If we must insist on the make of these pianos, or guess as to Mr.
>> Williams' reasons for silence, we should start another thread.
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>> Respectfully,
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>> Nick Gravagne, RPT
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>> Piano Technicians Guild
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>> Member Society Manufacturing Engineers
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>> Voice Mail 928-476-4143
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