Hi Robert - A very restrained and gracious reply I must say. I've been reading this thread less for the the technical content, but more to see which way the blood was going to fly. Sounds to me like you are doing fine. I think most of the technical views have been covered. I do want to ask though, what correspondence course do you have? Terry Farrell On Feb 14, 2010, at 12:33 AM, <rsfinley at charter.net> wrote: > Here is my background. Soem time ago I started a correspondence > course in piano technology and I am an Associate member of the > Boston Chapter of the PTG. Shortly after I started the course, > training as an apprentice, and a few tuning customers, I developed > very painful tendonitis in my left arm and back pain. Piano tuning > seemed to make the pain worse. > > I put the piano technology work on hold for a while and concentrated > on teaching piano students and giving recitals (I am a concert > pianist and I have played in the USA and overseas). Playing the > piano didn't seem to bother me as much. I have now recovered from > that and now want to get involved again in learning more about piano > technology with some practical experience. I think everyone has to > learn and start somewhere, and maybe ask questions that some might > consider trivial. It's a huge field and there is a tremendous amount > to learn, and it takes time. > > As far as pianists understanding about how a piano works and about > the technology, I couldn't agree more. I think an overview about > this would be useful in a piano degree course if it isn't already. > > There are some famous concert pianists who are very knowledgeable > about piano technology. Krystian Zimermann comes to mind. I believe > he built his own piano? I think Alfred Brendel also knows a lot > about piano tuning and technology as well. > > Thank you all very much for your suggestions and advice so far. > > All the best. > > Robert > > > ---- pianotech-request at ptg.org wrote: >> Send pianotech mailing list submissions to >> pianotech at ptg.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> pianotech-request at ptg.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> pianotech-owner at ptg.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of pianotech digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Advice about intermittent note on Yamaha grand (David Love) >> 2. Re: Advice about intermittent note on Yamaha grand >> (David Ilvedson) >> 3. Re: Advice about intermittent note on Yamaha grand >> (David Ilvedson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:17:31 -0800 >> From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net> >> To: <pianotech at ptg.org> >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Advice about intermittent note on Yamaha >> grand >> Message-ID: <001101caad02$b7b60660$27221320$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Excuse the typos. >> >> >> >> David Love >> >> www.davidlovepianos.com >> >> >> >> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] >> On Behalf >> Of David Love >> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:14 PM >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Advice about intermittent note on Yamaha >> grand >> >> >> >> Do you think the comments below were dismissive? I don't and they >> certainly >> weren't intended that way. I don't know Mr. Finley or whether he >> is an >> experience tech or a pianist just wondering about the mechanics of >> the >> instrument but gleaned some level of experience from the way the >> question >> was asked. Walking someone through a step by step procedure as >> they try >> each potential solution is a bit beyond the scope of what can >> reasonably be >> accomplished here especially, as you see, when even the experienced >> techs >> are throwing out solutions that may or may not address the >> problem. That >> was my point. But all questions are encouraged even if the answer >> is to go >> find a more experienced tech to help solve the problem, something, >> btw, that >> we've all done at one time or another. Let me also say that I >> always >> encourage pianists to increase their knowledge about their >> instrument. >> Honestly, I'm often shocked at how little pianists know about the >> instrument >> that they often spend countless hours at each day. >> >> >> >> That being said the PTG website lists pianotech as a discussion >> list among >> hundreds of piano technicians. It is reasonable to assume then >> that those >> participating expect that the questions are coming from other >> technicians. >> If you are not a technician and want to pose a question that's fine >> with me >> but it's probably best to say that otherwise a certain level of >> knowledge >> may be assumed and you may not get the response you were hoping for. >> Personally, I might be inclined to answer a question coming from a >> layperson >> in a different way than coming from a technician and I am often in >> that >> situation when giving presentations to, say, piano clubs attended by >> pianists, not piano technicians. That's not an issue of >> condescension but >> in couching the answer in familiar and perhaps non-technical >> language. It >> is helpful if the person answering the question knows their >> audience. The >> same goes for the person asking it. >> >> >> >> David Love >> >> www.davidlovepianos.com >> >> >> >> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] >> On Behalf >> Of John Dever >> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 2:29 PM >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Advice about intermittent note on Yamaha >> grand >> >> >> >> I guess you never quite know who you are talking to. Assumptions >> are a funny >> thing... >> >> I am not a tech but read this site every day (several times a day). >> It is >> interesting that from time to time some "techs" can get fairly >> dismissive >> towards those that ask questions. >> >> It is impressive to me that quite a few piano players seek to find >> out what >> makes their particular piano tick and are willing to ask the required >> questions. Of course that puts them out there and open to criticism >> - often >> unwarranted. >> >> Sometimes patience with the layman that are working through their >> particular >> problem is in order. Not everyone knows what seasoned techs know. >> Of course >> that's why they are on this forum asking their questions... >> >> JD >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20100213/5e6e6e7a/attachment-0001.htm >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:44:14 -0800 (PST) >> From: David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> >> To: "pianotech at ptg.org" <pianotech at ptg.org> >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Advice about intermittent note on Yamaha >> grand >> Message-ID: <92926.72802.qm at web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Where is his mentor? Sounds like Robert needs some one on one. >> >> David Ilvedson >> Pacifica, CA >> >> On Feb 13, 2010, at 1:57 PM, J Patrick Draine <jpdraine at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Robert is an Associate member of the Boston Chapter of the PTG, and >> attends chapter meetings & conventions with greater frequency than >> some. His other activities at the keyboard can be referenced at www.robertfinleypianist.com >> . >> Patrick Draine >> Billerica, MA >> >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:01 PM, David Ilvedson >> <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Hire a tech. >> >> David Ilvedson >> Pacifica, CA >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20100213/e371f948/attachment-0001.htm >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:48:12 -0800 (PST) >> From: David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> >> To: "pianotech at ptg.org" <pianotech at ptg.org> >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Advice about intermittent note on Yamaha >> grand >> Message-ID: <516766.74071.qm at web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I have a lot patience with laymen clients. >> >> David Ilvedson >> Pacifica, CA >> >> On Feb 13, 2010, at 3:17 PM, "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net >> > wrote: >> >> Excuse the typos. >> >> >> >> David Love >> >> www.davidlovepianos.com >> >> >> >> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] >> On Behalf Of David Love >> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:14 PM >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Advice about intermittent note on Yamaha >> grand >> >> >> >> Do you think the comments below were dismissive? I don?t and they >> certainly weren?t intended that way. I don?t know Mr. Finley or >> whether he is an experience tech or a pianist just wondering about >> the mechanics of the instrument but gleaned some level of >> experience from the way the question was asked. Walking someone >> through a step by step procedure as they try each potential >> solution is a bit beyond the scope of what can reasonably be >> accomplished here especially, as you see, when even the experienced >> techs are throwing out solutions that may or may not address the >> problem. That was my point. But all questions are encouraged >> even if the answer is to go find a more experienced tech to help >> solve the problem, something, btw, that we?ve all done at one time >> or another. Let me also say that I always encourage pianists to >> increase their knowledge about their instrument. Honestly, I?m >> often shocked at how little pianists know about the >> instrument that they often spend countless hours at each day. >> >> >> >> That being said the PTG website lists pianotech as a discussion >> list among hundreds of piano technicians. It is reasonable to >> assume then that those participating expect that the questions are >> coming from other technicians. If you are not a technician and >> want to pose a question that?s fine with me but it?s probably best >> to say that otherwise a certain level of knowledge may be assumed >> and you may not get the response you were hoping for. Personally, >> I might be inclined to answer a question coming from a layperson in >> a different way than coming from a technician and I am often in >> that situation when giving presentations to, say, piano clubs >> attended by pianists, not piano technicians. That?s not an issue >> of condescension but in couching the answer in familiar and perhaps >> non-technical language. It is helpful if the person answering the >> question knows their audience. The same goes for the person asking >> it. >> >> >> >> David Love >> >> www.davidlovepianos.com >> >> >> >> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] >> On Behalf Of John Dever >> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 2:29 PM >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Advice about intermittent note on Yamaha >> grand >> >> >> >> I guess you never quite know who you are talking to. Assumptions >> are a funny thing... >> >> I am not a tech but read this site every day (several times a day). >> It is interesting that from time to time some "techs" can get >> fairly dismissive towards those that ask questions. >> >> It is impressive to me that quite a few piano players seek to find >> out what makes their particular piano tick and are willing to ask >> the required questions. Of course that puts them out there and open >> to criticism - often unwarranted. >> >> Sometimes patience with the layman that are working through their >> particular problem is in order. Not everyone knows what seasoned >> techs know. Of course that's why they are on this forum asking >> their questions... >> >> JD >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20100213/8a0a9284/attachment.htm >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pianotech mailing list >> pianotech at ptg.org >> http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech >> >> >> End of pianotech Digest, Vol 16, Issue 155 >> ****************************************** >
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