I can't help but want another procedure do help during that "in between period" when bushings are beginning to open but felt quality is still strong. Needling the part of the bushing that has become compressed by the key pin is a valuable step in rejuvenating those "in between" bushings, IMHO. Alan Eder -----Original Message----- From: Tom Servinsky <tompiano at bellsouth.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Sent: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 8:14 am Subject: Re: [pianotech] vs profelt I've been following this thread with curiosity. As one who would be rebushing if the situation presented itself, I can't help but want another procedure do help during that "in between period" when bushings are beginning to open but felt quality is still strong. I've tried the steaming method and although it works, it's very temporary at best. The VS Profelt is intriguing as it might help to buy time before rebushing is absolutely necessary. To date I've not tried the VS Profelt. I did my own experiment this past week with denatured alcohol and H20 ( 50/50) on a set of keybushings. The felt was in decent condition but the play in the mortises/pin was very excessive. After giving the bushings a good soaking, I used the Spurloch final cauls and let set 8 hrs. The difference was quite improved. I'm doing a 2nd application today and give the action a good work-out tomorrow. My hope is that this solution will help size the mortise plus stabilize the wood and felt to return to a reasonable fit. To those who have tried the VS Profelt, is supposed to create the same effect as the denatured alcohol and water? Tom Servinsky My next step is try the VS Profelt and compare results I'll keep the listed posted of my results. ----- Original Message ----- From: reggaepass at aol.com To: pianotech at ptg.org Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] vs profelt David, Just started doing this last year, right after I became aware of VSP, and the bushings are still acceptable after one year (some in practice rooms, no less!). Yes, if the bushings are really worn out, it is a hopeless proposition. We started using steam in conjunction with the juice because we had been experimenting with steaming the key bushings (an idea gleaned from I-don't-recall-whom on one of these forums), and after acquiring the magic elixir and using it alone, we decided to try both, along with needling in the order delineated. The learning curve for this procedure has been quicker than for rebushing, and student assistants turn over fairly often, which is one reason resuscitation has been expedient for us. My crew (AKA the WIng Nuts) can definitely do the steam/poke/juice treatment faster than they can rebush. YMMV. If it were me working alone, I, too, might rebush. Alan Eder -----Original Message----- From: David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Sent: Fri, Apr 2, 2010 9:44 am Subject: Re: [pianotech] vs profelt Alan, How long does it last? The bushings must not be worn much? When I tried the S Profelt, I just followed the instructions which didn't include steam. I'm till inclined to just rebush. How fast can your team rebush a set of keys? David Ilvedson, RPT acifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- rom: reggaepass at aol.com o: pianotech at ptg.org eceived: 4/2/2010 7:38:42 AM ubject: Re: [pianotech] vs profelt Not the way we do it. Also, this is at a school, using semi-skilled student abor paid for by work-study wherever possible--one person hits the bushings of a key with >steam, passes it to another armed with a single needle voicing tool, and then inally to the Profelt-er. It goes about as quickly as the three of them can pass the eys. Alan Eder >-----Original Message----- From: Dean May <deanmay at pianorebuilders.com> To: pianotech at ptg.org Sent: Fri, Apr 2, 2010 5:12 am Subject: Re: [pianotech] vs profelt >Sounds like it would be less work torebush the key >Dean Dean W May (812) 235-5272 PianoRebuilders.com (888) DEAN-MAY Terre Haute IN 47802 >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org[mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On BehalfOf reggaepass at aol.com Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:18AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] vsprofelt > Haven'tfound myself in the particular scenario you describe, but have used V S Profelton somewhat worn key bushings, after a light steaming (and, in some cases,needling of compacted area a la Steve Brady's method), and followed by auls ofappropriate size overnight. Overkill? maybe, but effective. AlanEder >-----OriginalMessage----- From: Tom Driscoll <tomtuner at verizon.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2010 12:22 pm Subject: [pianotech] vs profelt >Listy, > I just received my bottle of VSprofelt from pianotek and was wondring if nyone has had any success in sizingkey bushings with this stuff. > I serviced a pianoyesterday that had recently rebushed keys and the cauls sed were too big. No wear at all on the cloth and all were consistantly loose both frontand center . > >I don't have the action in the shop yetand I will experiment tonight on some ld keys ,but would also appreciate anyfeedback from your collective experience. > It would be nice to not have torebush . >Thanks, >Tom D. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20100405/4ccce9a7/attachment.htm>
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