Sorry, I didn´t think about that. As mentioned: I didn´t check that freeware. But I am shure that there is some English software available for free, too. Gregor Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:58:33 -0300 From: jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural tuning question HEARING Stuff I guess I have a problem with English too. :-) That should be non German speaking. John Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ross To: pianotech at ptg.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural tuning question HEARING Stuff How easy is it for a none German speaking person, to navigate through? John Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregor _ To: pianotech at ptg.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural tuning question HEARING Stuff There is a software for interval training. It´s freeware and you can download it here: http://www.musikpaedagogik-online.de/unterricht/software/unterricht/show,16661.html I didn´t try it, but it´s freeware. No idea how it works or what can be done with it. Gregor From: KeyKat88 at aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:48:52 -0400 To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural tuning question HEARING Stuff Greetings, It seems to me that a person who sings in a barbershop quartet has an ear and the concentration to hear tones within tones and keep track of which ones he has to sing! Its probably then just a matter of some tutoring on the names of the tones ie; 4th, 5th etc, and then honing the skill by practicing hearing. By the way, thinking of the beginning of a song to get an interval? such as; Here Comes the Bride for a perfect 4th and so on...There is nothing wrong with that. NOTHING. In fact its best way to facilitate speed in learning! Also, before a tuner gets the "exact note" they get the "approximate" note. Take ear training lessons. Any music teacher with a degree will know what you are talking about when you ask for ear training lessons. Its just like anything else, the more you do it or train; the better you get. After you learn how to identify and reproduce intervals (vocally and on a piano, in all 12 keys), then your ear may or (may not) be able to be trained to listen for beats. Some claim they cannot hear beats. (I think they just aren't listening "honestly" enough to the blatantly obvious, or [rathr whats blant'y obv's to me]) First, I'd say even before ear training, find out if you can hear beats. Get with a tuner and have the person "test" your ears. Hope this helps Julia Gottshall Reading, PA In a message dated 3/8/2009 2:20:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, davidlovepianos at comcast.net writes: A person that is absolutely non musical with no musical training or talent shouldn't probably become a piano tuner. By that I don't mean the ability to play, necessarily, but I do mean the ability to hear musically. Tuning is mostly learning to hear. You can easily train yourself to recognize various intervals and then learn to tune them by the standard aural recognition methods involving coincident harmonics. If you are unable to grasp what that is or learn to hear them then it is likely that another profession would be more suitable. Similarly, a person lacking any manual dexterity should probably not become a surgeon, at least not one who will operate on me. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Duaine & Laura Hechler Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:29 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural tuning question Maybe, I need to get to basics for this question. I am a barbershop singer, so I have a sense of what a 3rd, 5th, m7th, octave sounds like. Now, assume for the sake of this question, a non musical person that has absolutely no other training and talent, wants to be a piano tuner. Without the aid of a ETD and has no concept of note relations (3rds, 5ths, etc), how is he expected to learn aural tuning ? And learn it well enough to pass the tests ? I don't see any other choice for this person to use an ETD - and - never be able to pass the test - so - how does he get to be an RPT? Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler at att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years Need a job? Find employment help in your area. Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Check it out! _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20090310/c918944c/attachment.html>
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