[pianotech] Capstan Line

Noah Frere noahfrere at gmail.com
Sat Feb 7 21:20:56 PST 2009


Thanks David.

This is a rather mundane question, but what should I fill the old capstan
hole with? High quality wood filler? Epoxy of some sort? Or a dowel?


On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:06 AM, David C. Stanwood <stanwood at tiac.net>wrote:

> Noah,
>
> Do mockups with the capstan moved in towards the balance rail.  Try finding
> a position were the key dip is more normal like 10mm and the blow like 45mm.
>  This should lighten things up..... you might have to cut the heels off and
> use new ones that satisfy the magic line...
>
> David Stanwood
>
>
>      First, forgive me if this query is too long and arduous. I should
>> perhaps just hire an experienced Tech for a couple hours to come and help me
>> with this, but I'm trying to wade through it alone:
>>
>>     In checking the Geometry of this 1906 Spector & Sons Baby Grand, my
>> "magic" line seems to be much "mundane." The line runs maybe 1/8" above the
>> center of the capstan, rather than through the middle of it; it doesn't even
>> run through the center of the capstan top - but slightly above. It's a
>> little hard taking this reading however since there's a small wood
>> stabilizing foot (also the square wippen rail) that gets in the way of my
>> string, so that I have to hold the string about 7/8" away from the key and
>> carefully follow the line of the string with my whole head so as to not
>> distort the view. Does that make sense?
>>
>>     When I push the keys down 5 mm, the hammer rises average 35 mm. This
>> gives me an MAR (Mechanical Action Ratio) of 6.75. That is way too high no?
>> Is 5:1 ratio ideal? Perhaps this high MAR would explain why this piano
>> "plays like a truck." According to my calculations using John Dorr's Article
>> in the November 2008 Journal, I would need a 48.4 mm Hammer Blow to make my
>> 8 mm key dip work (I didn't even know anyone made actions with such low
>> keydips.) However, my hammer blow if I remember is (was, before i messed
>> around with the Wippen Rail) only 47 mm - and that's with the hammers
>> resting on the the hammer rest rail flet. (There is room to lower that
>> Hammer Rest Rail however if I choose to later).
>>
>>    I have no idea when this was last regulated - maybe decades ago.
>>    I moved the Wippen Rail forward about 3 mm. From looking at the magic
>> line again, it looks like if I moved the capstans forward the same amount it
>> would become less mundane and more magical.
>>
>>    Now for My Question: Should I unscrew all the Capstans, plug the holes
>> and move them forward?
>>
>>    Or, is there another way to change the magic line that significantly?
>>
>>    Also, I'd like to get more into the Stanwood Touchweight, and was about
>> to start taking measurements but saw that it was a waste of time with the
>> magic line so out. The only measurements I've taken thus far then are Down
>> and Up weight, which averaged 61 DW and 23 UP.  I mention this so as to give
>> more information, but also I guess I have one more question: I need new
>> hammers. These shanks have the sloping knuckle that's built into the shank.
>> Does it matter much which Centerpin-to-Knuckle Spread I get? In drawing a
>> line up from the back of the jack, i got an 18 mm and 19 mm spread on the
>> two I measured. But that's the back of the jack, so that's not the correct
>> measurement anyway I think. Plus of course that assumes that the piano was
>> regulated correctly, which it probably isn't. I was thinking of ordering the
>> 17 mm Spread.
>>
>>    Thanks to anyone willing to help!
>>
>
>
>
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