Digital players in high end pianos

[piannaman at aol.com]

 Gnarly in this case is definitely not good!


 


Dave Stahl, RPT
Dave Stahl Piano Service
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From: Bruce Browning - The Piano Tuner <justpianos at our.net.au>
To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 4:28 am
Subject: Re: Digital players in high end pianos










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In my "neck of the woods", gnarly means good.
That can't be right!
Bruce Browning
The Piano Tuner.



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>  Valid point, Wim.? It does get people in the door of our business.?
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> I'm surprised, though, at how few people actually use the player system,
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> pianos serviced.? If you have the full orchestra, it sounds pretty gnarly
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> Not having too much experience working on pianos with digital players, I
> can't comment on the effects on the action. But in defense of them, (all
> installed systems), we have to recognize that these units has helped the
> piano market over all. Yes, the people who have these "toys" are not using
> them to play them, but they do use them to listen to their pianos. Which
> means they do need servicing. Maybe not as often, but they do add to our
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> ????Although I'm not an installer, we often buy pianos with pre-installed
> player systems.? Nearly all of the ones I've had to work on had damper
> leaking problems as described here.? If there is a pedal solenoid, you can
> drill the trap lever and install a tension spring on the lever near the
> solenoid.? The weight of the?plunger tends to push up on?the damper tray,
> so I found that it helps to add a spring just strong enough to counteract
> the weight of the solenoid.? One has to tailor the tension of the spring
> so that it is just enough to cure the problem, not to overload the
> solenoid.? Otherwise, you'll have to increase the power to the solenoid
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> trapwork.?? If you add the spring at the damper tray, the whole trapwork
> lever system has to "work harder" to overcome the spring.? Better to
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> underlever.? In many installations, the stock underlever is replaced with
> a metal one, and the hole for the pitman pin is lined with a rubber
> grommet to reduce noise.? Often, the lack of clearance space doesn't allow
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> same arc as the trap lever.? This causes binding? which is likely to hold
> up the damper tray and not allow it to fall away from the damper
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> We had one installed on a Fazioli 278 on a customer's request. The
> customer was actually a good pianist (so, not sure why the system was
> installed) and eventually paid us to remove the system. The reason for the
> extrication was that they noticed a difference in the performance of the
> action with the system in. I think we even installed new hold down dags
> for the backrail as an intermediary solution. So, yes, it's been my
> experience that the system does alter action performance.
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> on pianos that do not have damper tray springs. With the system, the
> damper tray would float just enough to make contact with the underlevers.
> So we would have to go back in and install tray springs.??Eventually, the
> installer did this as sop.?Both?the tray spring?and backrail? dag installs
> are a real picnic in a?customer's home.&nbs! p;
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