[BULK] key weight

[Avery]

I'm curious. Who's going to pay for that? The dealer? The customer 
who just bought an "inexpensive" grand? I doubt it! :-)

Avery

At 09:52 AM 11/8/2006, you wrote:
>Many medium quality pianos can be turned into screaming performers 
>with some modifications: good hammers, good bass strings, and a 
>thorough regulation that includes proper set up of the keys.
>
>Dean
>
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>From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] 
>On Behalf Of William Benjamin
>Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:13 AM
>To: 'Pianotech List'
>Subject: RE: [BULK] key weight
>
>Alan,
>
>You are right, there is a lot left out there in the world that I 
>have to learn.  I once got into a conversation with a person who 
>kept driving it home that the up weight was probably more important 
>than the down weight.  This was a person an a university that nursed 
>wonderful Steinways all day long.  I am out in the trenches where 
>they tune the piano once every ten years or when a key sticks.  Also 
>I am selling medium quality pianos and I admit that they probably 
>don't compare with the high brow tuners choice of 
>instruments.  Still, it would be nice to think that with all my 
>effort that some reasonable down weight might be a good beginning 
>point, then I can begin to approach those institutions where they 
>baby grand's that don't even get dusty.
>
>William
>
>
>
>
>PIANO BOUTIQUE
>William Benjamin
>Piano Tuner Extraordinaire
><http://www.pianoboutique.biz>www.pianoboutique.biz
>The tuner alone,
>preserves the tone.
>
>
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>From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] 
>On Behalf Of Alan McCoy
>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:31 PM
>To: 'Pianotech List'
>Subject: RE: [BULK] key weight
>
>Hi William,
>
>I think you would do well to read some back issues of the Journal. 
>Specifically some articles by Bill Spurlock for an understanding of 
>traditional touchweight and action weigh-off concepts. Then read the 
>articles by David Stanwood on the New Touchweight Metrology for a 
>more sophisticated approach to thinking about action weight. There 
>are other articles as well. All of the conventions have classes on 
>this topic that will help you come to a better understanding of 
>action analysis. It'll take some digging on your part. Expect to 
>spend a year or so devouring all that has been written and 
>experimenting with actions. If you don't have back issues, you can 
>buy the reprints and the journal on CD.
>
>There are some numbers that manufacturers throw out, but such 
>numbers don't really have much meaning. It is usually downweight 
>that they are talking about in my experience and downweight alone 
>doesn't really shed much useful light on how an action might 
>perform. So from my perspective, I just wouldn't pay attention to 
>the man behind the curtain.
>
>IMHO,
>
>Alan
>
>
>--Alan McCoy, RPT
>Inland Northwest Chapter
>Spokane, WA
>ahm at webband.com
>
>
>
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>From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] 
>On Behalf Of William Benjamin
>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:37 PM
>To: Pianotech List
>Subject: [BULK] key weight
>Importance: Low
>List,
>
>I was in a store in Orlando over the weekend and heard a Kawai rep 
>helping with a sale.  This was a sales rep not a tec man.  His 
>comment that raised my attention was that there pianos were at 60 
>grams touch weight, which is a standard on Steinway, Yamaha and all 
>quality pianos.
>
>Now that I have your atention let me tell you that I have gone to 
>NAMM shows before and asked that very question, "what is the 
>standard for touch weight" and no one would give me a strait 
>answer.  I also know that most pianos that I see, good grand's, are 
>indeed around 60 grams.
>
>Now can anyone give me a strait forward answer?  What is the touch 
>weight that I should be looking for in medium to high quality grand 
>pianos today.  I have heard people brag about 52 grams and such, but 
>I just don't see it.  I have run a gram weight scale on every key 
>from 1 to 88 on a lot of pianos and on my new pianos I have brought 
>the weight from 68 to 70 down to 62 and 60 on a lot of keys.  After 
>that I have lubed, repinned and removed mass from the hammer heals, 
>but, you guessed it, it never gets much below 60.
>
>Any one want to give me some guidance?
>
>William
>
>
>
>
>
>PIANO BOUTIQUE
>William Benjamin
>Piano Tuner Extraordinaire
><http://www.pianoboutique.biz>www.pianoboutique.biz
>The tuner alone,
>preserves the tone.
>
>
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