> Both Japanese manufacturers do an out standing > job with price, vs quality, vs value. You gets what you pay for. True! I had forgoten something very important here... kawais are actually cheaper (at least over here). Patrick > Hi Avery, > S4 6'3'' S6 6.10'' Both hand > crafted pianos, about twice the price of a similar sized C Series piano. > The S4 is generally exceptional by any > manufacturers standard. And significantly > superior to any thing new that I have see from S & S. > Nip and tuck to the Shigeru. Don you are not allowed to quote me. > Both Japanese manufacturers do an out standing > job with price, vs quality, vs value. You gets what you pay for. > Sweeping general statements, are usually ill > informed statements, as is the case here. > I agree with all of your comments. > Regards Roger > > At 02:43 PM 3/5/2006, you wrote: >>William, >> >>I totally agree. The only thing I don't like about the new ABS actions is >> that >>it's SO dark in there! :-) >> >>What is the Yamaha S series? Better than the C? And the Shigeru's are >> great! >> >>Avery >> >>At 01:07 PM 3/5/2006, you wrote: >> >Patrick, >> > >> >Respectfully disagree. I find the newer Kawais, particularly the RX's >> to be >> >very nice if properly voiced and regulated from the factory. The >> Shigeru's, >> >of which I have seen a few - very nice. Some of the best, IMO. Yes, >> with >> >or above the Yamaha S series. >> > >> >As for the new action parts, "black ABS" being just plain weird, >> someone >> >probably said that about the double-escapement grand action that Erard >> came >> >up with. The action parts BTW are Carbon-impregnated ABS. I think >> they are >> >the cat's meow. Just my opinion. ABS in general, is found to be >> stronger, >> >more dimensionally stable, among other things. >> > >> >Regards, >> >William R. Monroe >> > >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L." <patrick at pianospianissimo.com> >> >To: <deanmay at pianorebuilders.com>; "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >> >Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:16 PM >> >Subject: Kawai vs. Yamaha. was: near impossible tuning >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dale wrote: I really like the Kawai grands in general. The tone is >> far >> > > more interesting than it other Japanese competitor & I can do >> wonderful >> > > things with the voicing . >> > >> >For me, (and i'm sure many others will agree) Kawai's are not very >> >consistent in tone. Some are really nice, many are not. Yamaha's arent >> >that consistent either, but at least the sound doesnt "distort" when >> >played louder. As Dale just said, with most Kawais all you get is NOISE >> >after a second of sustain. Even though many kawais seem like they have >> a >> >very nice tone when you first play one, it doesnt last! >> > >> > > These are pianos with original hammers that have probably never had >> a >> > > needle >> > > stuck in them. Is this a hammer/voicing problem? >> > >> >hmm... most yamahas ive seen havent either been neddled and they dont >> have >> >that problem >> > >> >We import many used Yamahas and Kawais, and the difference in quality >> is >> >clear, the materials and the way yamahas are made are much better by >> FAR. >> >Starting out with the casework for instance, while kawai lyres just >> fall >> >to bits even if only a few months old, i have never seen or heard of a >> >yamaha lyre loosen. The castors, the bolts and screws, etc, kawai ones >> >just scream the words "cheap n nasty", no matter how many times you do >> and >> >undo yamaha bolts/screws, they'll still keep the thread and the heads >> wont >> >become useless. On older uprights is not uncommon to see rusty colums >> >(legs) as they where made of metal. And on newer ones made of plastic, >> >they kind of bend! We have now stopped using kawais for concert hire >> >because of these things and of course tuning stability is far superior >> on >> >yamahas. >> > >> >Action-wise (kawai).... what's all that plastic doing there??? might be >> ok >> >when new, but when you need to replace stuff... pedal mechanisms often >> >make all sorts of noises... etc etc. The only thing i can think of >> right >> >now that i really like on kawai grands is the screw adjustment for the >> >springs on whippens, quick and delightful to regulate with those! BTW >> the >> >new black ABS plastic whippens are just weird!! >> > >> >Havent seen the Shigeru models yet, are they any better? Don't think >> they >> >can beat the Yamaha S series, can they? >> > >> >Patrick >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I don't get it. Most all of the Kawai grands I tune (which aren't >> that >> > > many) >> > > I don't really care much for. Since there >> aren't any new Kawais being sold >> > > in this area most of the ones I encounter are 10 plus years old of >> the KG >> > > variety, a couple of GS, one GS-70. I don't like the sustain. With >> the >> > > sustain pedal on when playing an arpeggio the sound quickly fades >> into >> > > white >> > > noise and one cannot discern what scale was just played. I've done >> some >> > > experimenting even, hitting individual notes across the scale with >> an f >> > > blow >> > > and I get about a second of tone before there is only noise. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > These are pianos with original hammers that have probably never had >> a >> > > needle >> > > stuck in them. Is this a hammer/voicing problem? >> > > >> > > Dean >> > > >> > > Dean May cell 812.239.3359 >> > > >> > > PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272 >> > > >> > > Terre Haute IN 47802 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] >> On >> > > Behalf >> > > Of Erwinspiano at aol.com >> > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:18 AM >> > > To: pianotech at ptg.org >> > > Subject: Re: near impossible tuning >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Dittos Roger >> > > >> > > Ed Normally I find Kawai a very stable >> piano. I tuned a Kg-2 the other >> > > day & I had not tuned it for 3 years. Except for being 6 cents >> flat, >> > > enough for a pitch raise, it was in solidly in tune with itself & I >> > > wondered >> > > why I was there. It is also an easy piano to tune. >> > > >> > > I really like the Kawai grands in general. The tone is far more >> > > interesting than it other Japanese competitor & I can do wonderful >> things >> > > with the voicing . However on some of the grands & verticals a like >> have >> > > pins do not render well. >> > > >> > > Ed I don't get it & would like to know >> this is only an isolated incident >> > > as I currently have a client looking to buy one of the same models >> > > >> > > Dale >> > > >> > > After lifting, leveling, and fitting, the power, sustain, and >> voicing >> > > will >> > > improve. >> > > >> > > String lifting is a skill just like tuning, I would hardly call it >> > > indiscriminate. >> > > >> > > Regards Roger >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >> > > >> > >> > >> >Patrick Hinves Ballesta >> >Afinador/Técnico 610442371 >> >PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L. >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > _______________________________________________ > Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > Patrick Hinves Ballesta Afinador/Técnico 610442371 PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L.
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