It ain't so. ----- Original Message ----- From: <pianotech-request at ptg.org> To: <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1276, Issue 153 > Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to > pianotech at ptg.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pianotech-request at ptg.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pianotech-owner at ptg.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 1918 NY SS-M question (A440A at aol.com) > 2. Re: Bechstein Value (A440A at aol.com) > 3. Oh, no .... say it ain't so! (Alan Barnard) > 4. 1918 NY SS-M question (Gene Nelson) (Israel Stein ) > 5. Re: Oh, no .... say it ain't so! (pianotune05) > 6. Re: Oh, no .... say it ain't so! (Cy Shuster) > 7. anyone willing to critique my proposal? (daniel carlton) > 8. Re: anyone willing to critique my proposal? (J Patrick Draine) > 9. Re: 1918 NY SS-M question (Gene Nelson) (Gene Nelson) > 10. One OT subject and One "on topic" (Brian Doepke) > 11. Re: One OT subject and One "on topic" (Joe And Penny Goss) > 12. One "on topic" (Robin Stevens) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:48:00 EDT > From: A440A at aol.com > Subject: Re: 1918 NY SS-M question > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Message-ID: <231.c847478.31d6cbe0 at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Gene writes: > > << I have replaced one SS back action with Renner Kit on an 1887 SS-B so I > assume the back actions are similar. I recall that there was a very small > dowel > about the size of a large tooth pick in the flange. (Was this used for > flange > or spring retention?) My assumption is that if the flange glue joint is > broken > the dowel will retain it and allow it to pivot as I have observed. > > Is it possible to repair these flanges? Is it possible to drill through > the > flange into the rail and screw them into place? Is there a method to do > this to > flanges that have glue joints that have not broken without breaking them? > > Regards, >> > > If the flanges have no verdegris, why not simply reglue them with > Tite-bond? > questionable flanges are easily popped loose with a sharp rap from a > hammer > against a wooden drift. I would suggest that you pull the tray and reglue > every other flange, then when dry, crack the others and reglue them. They > tend > to have some glued on fibers left on each part and index exactly back to > where > they were originally. > Good luck, > > Ed Foote RPT > http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html > www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:49:14 EDT > From: A440A at aol.com > Subject: Re: Bechstein Value > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Message-ID: <437.37b34e7.31d6cc2a at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Paul writes: > << Bechstein Model "M" Grand > Six Foot > Manufactured in 1972 (S.N. 164270) > Black Poly Finish- perfect condition > Ivory Keys- perfect condition > Needs only tuning and minor regulation, with some light hammer shaping. > > This is a dandy sounding piano in great condition. > > What would your considered opinion be as to a fair asking price? >> > > $ 25,000 around here, but the market does vary quite a bit from locality > to > locality. > > Ed Foote RPT > http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html > www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:13:03 -0500 > From: "Alan Barnard" <tune4u at earthlink.net> > Subject: Oh, no .... say it ain't so! > To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Message-ID: <380-22006653019133278 at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The self-tuning piano; hot strings and high hopes. Check it out at > http://www.qrsmusic.com/Press/pr02032501.htm > > Alan Barnard > Salem, Missouri > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20060630/a9cbc21f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:11:21 +0000 > From: custos3 at comcast.net (Israel Stein ) > Subject: 1918 NY SS-M question (Gene Nelson) > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Message-ID: > <063020061911.3087.44A5775900002C0700000C0F2202888744CC9C019B9C9A0C at comcast.net> > > > On Fri Jun 30 11:01:38 2006 Gene Nelson wrote: > >>Some of the lift levers will pivot from left to right suggesting that the >>flanges have >> broken glue joints (loose screws if screwed but I could not see back >> there) > > In 1918 Steinway underlever flanges were glued - not screwed. So yes, you > most likely have broken glue joints there. Back in Boston that was a > chronic condition with Steinway grands of a certain age... > >>Is it possible to repair these flanges? Is it possible to drill through >>the flange into >> the rail and screw them into place? Is there a method to do this to >> flanges that >> have glue joints that have not broken without breaking them? > > Yes, Gene, back in Boston that was standard procedure whenever a Steinway > with glued underlever flanges was restrung - whether loose or not (they > were going to get loose sooner or later - you can count on it in that > climate). The cost was built into any stringing job... > > Pull the back action, move the underlever springs out of the way. Use 4 x > 3/4 flathead screws. Drill a large/small screwhole (large enough through > the flange so the screw moves freely through it, small into the rail) and > countersink. Screw down every one of those flanges - whether the glue > joint broke or not. Put the springs back in place. > > Israel Stein > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:33:50 -0500 > From: "pianotune05" <pianotune05 at comcast.net> > Subject: Re: Oh, no .... say it ain't so! > To: <tune4u at earthlink.net>, "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Message-ID: <40d101c69c7c$1d9c0600$4db9b143 at eva12marshal0g> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I've seen a self cleaning oven, but a self tuning piano? I wish my 11 > month old was self cleanng and tuning. ;) > Marshall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alan Barnard > To: Pianotech List > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:13 PM > Subject: Oh, no .... say it ain't so! > > > The self-tuning piano; hot strings and high hopes. Check it out at > http://www.qrsmusic.com/Press/pr02032501.htm > > Alan Barnard > Salem, Missouri > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20060630/c92b4c02/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:46:54 -0600 > From: "Cy Shuster" <cy at shusterpiano.com> > Subject: Re: Oh, no .... say it ain't so! > To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Message-ID: <01b801c69c86$5285a9c0$6400a8c0 at BUSTER> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Old news... Latest I heard from him is that he was working with another > manufacturer, since QRS was stalling on it. > > --Cy-- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20060630/cde96701/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:28:49 -0500 > From: daniel carlton <hacicspe at gmail.com> > Subject: anyone willing to critique my proposal? > To: caut at ptg.org, pianotech at ptg.org > Message-ID: <B7F6D508-CA80-4361-BFBC-69E607E6FDB3 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > if anyone would be willing to critique my proposal, let me know. > > daniel carlton > hacicspe at gmail.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:50:30 -0400 > From: "J Patrick Draine" <jpdraine at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: anyone willing to critique my proposal? > To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Message-ID: > <fdf610640606301550j96103f8r3bd11b38f74875a0 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I suspect that this subject was covered thoroughly in Bill Schull and > Chris Solliday's CAUT clas on contract service for colleges. I didn't > attend it -- far too many equally awesome classes going on at the same > time! > I suggest you contact Bill &/or Chris -- their phones numbers (and > doubtless email addresses) are in the PTG Directory. I assume you have > a copy of the CAUT Guidelines -- a pdf is available on the PTG > website if you don't have a hard copy. > Good luck! > Patrick Draine > > On 6/30/06, daniel carlton <hacicspe at gmail.com> wrote: >> if anyone would be willing to critique my proposal, let me know. >> >> daniel carlton >> hacicspe at gmail.com >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:21:22 -0700 > From: "Gene Nelson" <nelsong at pbic.net> > Subject: Re: 1918 NY SS-M question (Gene Nelson) > To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Message-ID: <000701c69cac$ac9d3650$59f39341 at DB0Q5F61> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thank you Ed and Israel, > I suppose that if I see virtigris at the flanges it is time for new parts. > If not then you have given me some good information so that I can make > repairs. > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Israel Stein " <custos3 at comcast.net> > To: <pianotech at ptg.org> > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:11 PM > Subject: 1918 NY SS-M question (Gene Nelson) > > >> On Fri Jun 30 11:01:38 2006 Gene Nelson wrote: >> >>>Some of the lift levers will pivot from left to right suggesting that the >>>flanges have >>> broken glue joints (loose screws if screwed but I could not see back >>> there) >> >> In 1918 Steinway underlever flanges were glued - not screwed. So yes, you >> most likely have broken glue joints there. Back in Boston that was a >> chronic condition with Steinway grands of a certain age... >> >>>Is it possible to repair these flanges? Is it possible to drill through >>>the flange into >>> the rail and screw them into place? Is there a method to do this to >>> flanges that >>> have glue joints that have not broken without breaking them? >> >> Yes, Gene, back in Boston that was standard procedure whenever a Steinway >> with glued underlever flanges was restrung - whether loose or not (they >> were going to get loose sooner or later - you can count on it in that >> climate). The cost was built into any stringing job... >> >> Pull the back action, move the underlever springs out of the way. Use 4 x >> 3/4 flathead screws. Drill a large/small screwhole (large enough through >> the flange so the screw moves freely through it, small into the rail) and >> countersink. Screw down every one of those flanges - whether the glue >> joint broke or not. Put the springs back in place. >> >> Israel Stein >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:20:55 -0400 > From: "Brian Doepke" <doepkeb at comcast.net> > Subject: One OT subject and One "on topic" > To: "'Pianotech List'" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Message-ID: <200607010220.k612Kmjb010323 at ptg.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I had to laugh out loud when I read the last names of the first 2 tunings > today. ( I just list the customers last names) My first 2 clients last > names today were ( I am not kidding) Brake, Wind. > > Ok, more seriously. I received a call from a woman who said that 70% of > the > keys of her grandmothers recently moved upright piano were already down.in > the position achieved after a normal key stroke.and would not work. > > she said "upright" .but that could be anything from a spinet to an old, > tall upright. Who knows!! > > Anyway, I have dealt with jammed keys in a recently moved grand, but not > in > a vertical. > > Does anyone have any ideas on what this might be?? (naturally I told her > that I needed to actually see the piano and really could not even guess on > what was causing the situation, or even how much it would cost to get them > working again) > > Brian P. Doepke > AAA Piano Works, Inc. > Piano Tuning-Repair-Purchase Consults > 260-432-2043 > 260-417-1298 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20060630/58e89e9d/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:37:39 -0600 > From: "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr at srvinet.com> > Subject: Re: One OT subject and One "on topic" > To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Message-ID: <035a01c69cb7$53263940$7e37bbd0 at setup00> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > Look for the key front board to be pushed in against the keys, with the > screws bent inward. > Joe Goss RPT > Mother Goose Tools > imatunr at srvinet.com > www.mothergoosetools.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Doepke > To: 'Pianotech List' > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:20 PM > Subject: One OT subject and One "on topic" > > > I had to laugh out loud when I read the last names of the first 2 tunings > today. ( I just list the customers last names) My first 2 clients last > names today were ( I am not kidding) Brake, Wind. > > > > Ok, more seriously. I received a call from a woman who said that 70% of > the keys of her grandmothers recently moved upright piano were already > down.in the position achieved after a normal key stroke.and would not > work. > > > > she said "upright" .but that could be anything from a spinet to an old, > tall upright. Who knows!! > > > > Anyway, I have dealt with jammed keys in a recently moved grand, but not > in a vertical. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas on what this might be?? (naturally I told her > that I needed to actually see the piano and really could not even guess on > what was causing the situation, or even how much it would cost to get them > working again) > > > > Brian P. Doepke > > AAA Piano Works, Inc. > > Piano Tuning-Repair-Purchase Consults > > 260-432-2043 > > 260-417-1298 > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20060630/43f3d874/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 12:24:20 +0930 (Cen. Australia Standard Time) > From: "Robin Stevens" <pianoman at westnet.com.au> > Subject: One "on topic" > To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Message-ID: <44A5E3DC.000001.01876 at ROBINSHPTOWER> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Brian, the likely causes are either growing leads or mice droppings > between > the keys. Also the piano might have been exposed to excessive amount of > water or moisture. > Or, maybe the carriers had the Fall up and strapped over the top and > jammed > the front rail in. > Loose front guide pins might have shifted with the traveling, But I put my > money on the key leads having grown if the piano has not been played for a > while and the jamming keys not noticed. > > Regards > Robin > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Brian Doepke > Date: 07/01/06 11:52:44 > To: 'Pianotech List' > Subject: One OT subject and One "on topic" > > I had to laugh out loud when I read the last names of the first 2 tunings > today. ( I just list the customers last names) My first 2 clients last > names today were ( I am not kidding) Brake, Wind. > > Ok, more seriously. I received a call from a woman who said that 70% of > the > keys of her grandmothers recently moved upright piano were already down?in > the position achieved after a normal key stroke?and would not work. > > she said ?upright? ?but that could be anything from a spinet to an old, > tall upright. Who knows!! > > Anyway, I have dealt with jammed keys in a recently moved grand, but not > in > a vertical. > > Does anyone have any ideas on what this might be?? (naturally I told her > that I needed to actually see the piano and really could not even guess on > what was causing the situation, or even how much it would cost to get them > working again) > > Brian P. Doepke > AAA Piano Works, Inc. > Piano Tuning-Repair-Purchase Consults > 260-432-2043 > 260-417-1298 > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20060701/69cd8ae0/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Pianotech list info https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > End of Pianotech Digest, Vol 1276, Issue 153 > ******************************************** > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 30/06/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 14/07/2006
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