Hi Marshall Here are some things to memorize and then gestalt. Ratios (mostly approximate but useable): Unison 1:1 Octave 2:1 Fifth 3:2 Fourth 4:3 Major third 5:4 Minor third 6:5 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/music/mussca.html The reason ratios are good to know is that they "give" the lowest common partial. For example the fifth between d4 and a4 will have a common partial at a5. If one knows where to listen it really does make life a lot easier. In the case of the fifth again for example there is a strong second set of coincident partials at the 6:4 level (or a6). If one tunes the a6 partial the fifth will not be the "width" intended. The other reason ratios are so important is that they, when used in contiguous interval ladders, will tell us how fast the beat rates need to be. For example in a "ladder" which has f3:a3 and a3:c#4 the lower third will beat 4 times in any time period and the upper third will beat 5 times in that identical time period. This allows the piano to determine the beat rates rather than the tuner "forcing" an arbitrary number on it. Have a look here for a very nice "self correcting" temperament (and many other "goodies" as well): http://www.accu-tuner.com/SATIIImanual/sat3manual.html It will be very useful to be able to quickly "parse" the partial structure of any note. Here is an example: C1:c2:g2:c3:e3:g3:b3:c4 As we can see these correspond to some musical intervals. As we get higher and higher the intervals drift farther and farther away from the tempered scale used on keyboards. Musically speaking the "leaps" are (approximately): C1 Octave C2 Fifth G2 Fourth C3 Third (large) E3 Third (small) G3 Third (very small) B3 Second (large) C4 Octaves: Octaves have many coincident partials besides the "base pair" of 2:1.They become larger as the coincident partials increase. It is rare in "real life" tuning to use an octave that is as "narrow" as 2:1. Here are some examples of octaves and their coincident partials and where to "listen" (or ghost them) 2:1 = C1:C2 listen at c2 4:2 = c1:c2 listen at c3 6:3 = c1:c2 listen at g3 8:4 = c1:c2 listen at c4 10:5 = c1:c2 listen at e4 12:6 = c1:c2 listen at g4 It would be rare to use the extremes at either end of this chart. Using coincident partials it is possible to "design" aural tests for all sorts of intervals using a "third" note-just as is done when "setting" a4 to a fork (or other pitch source). Remarks: Some tuners seem to be able to do a wonderful job of tuning without any of the above information, and some may consider this "path" limiting in some ways. (for example listening to the "whole sound") But on the whole if this information is used then learning tuning becomes much easier for we mere mortals. At 07:42 AM 1/8/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Don, > I understand the note placement, such as a1 or c4 etc. I understand some >about partials etc, but when I'm tuning, I just let my ear tell me quiite a >bit as well. They're pretty keen. It is intereesting how the partials >work. >Marshall Regards, Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/ 3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7 306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner
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