felt mutes -- was RE: Working while tuning

[John Formsma]

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It=92s under action cloth.

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May I suggest that since you=92re a beginning tuner, you might leave off
=93cracking the unisons=94 for a while until you=92re certain of some =
other things
like stability, great unisons, and good octaves? If you don=92t have =
these, I
wouldn=92t focus on cracking unisons, although it does work well once =
you=92ve
established the primary skills. It=92s like learning to crawl before =
walking.
But, I=92m not vision impaired, and it might indeed work well for you. =
Just a
friendly suggestion.

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John Formsma

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Of pianotune05@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:08 PM
To: Pianotech
Subject: RE: felt mutes -- was RE: Working while tuning

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Hi John,

I didn' t see the action cloth in schaff.  I wonder if it's in a =
different
section than the regular temperment felt.  I might check it out, =
although I
like cracking the unisons a little better, I might revist cloth again.

Marshall

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From: "John Formsma" <john@formsmapiano.com>=20

Marshall,

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Action cloth is what I use. It will last practically forever. When I =
ordered
it about four years ago, I think it was the medium white cloth. You =
might
want to order two different kinds to make sure you get the correct
thickness.

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John

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From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On =
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Of pianotune05@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:33 AM
To: Pianotech
Subject: RE: felt mutes -- was RE: Working while tuning

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Hi John,

would extra thin temperment strip work in the trebble?  I've tried =
muting
the trebble before, but I didn't have an extra thin temperment strip.  I
ordered one from Schaff. =20

Marshall

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From: "John Formsma" <john@formsmapiano.com>=20

David,

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Yeah, it was in an upright. Been a long time ago.

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Have you tried using a strip of action cloth in the treble of verticals?
(About 0.090 thick, I think, and cut down the middle.) Pulling the strip =
out
bit by bit surely beats moving mutes around, especially when you get =
toward
the end of the treble where you run out of room for the wire handles. =
You
also don=92t have to finagle around the dampers. I save some time that =
way, as
it takes me 1 =96 1 =BD minutes to strip the entire piano. I know I =
spend more
than that moving mutes. But it=92s whatever works best for you.

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John


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Of David Ilvedson
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:06 PM
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Subject: RE: felt mutes -- was RE: Working while tuning

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Your tuning too many uprights...;-]   Felt wedges don't fall out of
grands...

I do use them in uprights...haven't had any fall out if I can get them
between the unisons...but I do have to go to thin rubber mutes in the
treble...

I gave up on temp strips years ago...SAT III, my ears and 2 mutes

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, California


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Original message
From: "John Formsma"=20
To: Pianotech=20
Received: 1/6/2006 7:10:48 PM
Subject: RE: felt mutes -- was RE: Working while tuning

Thanks, Terry.

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I=92ve never used a felt wedge except once when I tried it in the bass. =
It
kept falling out, so I didn=92t use it again. I like to strip mute the
bass=85for speed. Actually, my MO for verticals is to strip the entire =
piano,
but tune unisons as I go, pulling out the felt when moving to the next
string set.  It=92s quite a bit faster than moving mutes. Grands are =
sometimes
done this way, but the action cloth I use for verticals is not quite =
thick
enough for some grands, so most of the time I use the large rubber =
wedges
(w/o the wire.)  I wouldn=92t think the narrow rubber mutes would do =
that well
in a grand, although you can make anything work if you want to. :-)

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John Formsma

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From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On =
Behalf
Of Farrell
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:41 AM
To: Pianotech
Subject: Re: felt mutes -- was RE: Working while tuning

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Whereas I've never tried a large rubber wedge, I have tried the regular
rubber mutes in the past that I use on uprights. On grands, I find that =
the
felt mutes are easier to insert, are very stable (stay where you put =
them),
and mute exceptionally well. You can also place them fairly loosely in =
place
and still mute well - I always wondered how jamming those rubber mutes =
in
between strings might be affecting the pitch of a string that was =
already
tuned.

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They just seem to work better to me.

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And besides, they don't make that screeching noise that a rubber mute =
can
sometimes make!

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Terry Farrell


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