Cracking the unisons

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:58:16 -0800


Do I really have to?

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, California



----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Alan Barnard" <tune4u@earthlink.net>
To: "ilvey@sbcglobal.net, Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: 1/6/2006 1:04:06 PM
Subject: RE: Cracking the unisons


>I'd be happy to comment on this heresy if I understood it. Let me just say,
>"Huh?"  

>Describe Snap and Pop, please.

>BTW, do you know how you can tell your breakfast cereal is stale? It goes
>snab, crabble, bah.

>Alan Barnard
>Salem, Missouri


>> [Original Message]
>> From: David Ilvedson <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> Date: 01/06/2006 12:54:00 AM
>> Subject: RE: Cracking the unisons
>>
>> OK, I've got add something to this idea.   There are three methods of 
>hammer technique in this same vein...the first and less understood is
>"snapping"  the unison.   This is accomplished with very quick hammer
>movement, ala snapping...Cracking the unison is the 2nd technique as stated
>below...well put.   The third technique is popping the unison, where you
>hold the pitch above and "pop" it down into a heavenly unison.   Many
>technicians use all three with "snap, crackle and pop the unison"
>>
>> You may banish me from the List...
>>
>> David Ilvedson, RPT
>> Pacifica, California
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original message ----------------------------------------
>> From: "Greg Graham" <grahampianos@yahoo.com>
>> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> Received: 1/5/2006 2:13:51 PM
>> Subject: Cracking the unisons
>>
>>
>> >I'm hoping someone will take a stab at a detailed
>> >definition of "Cracking The Unisons".  
>>
>> >I've checked the archives, and lots of people mention
>> >Virgil Smith's technique, some claim to use it, only a
>> >few have partially described it, and I suspect I'm
>> >still not getting it.
>> >  
>> >As I understand it:  If a three-string unison is found
>> >to be slightly flat or sharp compared to a test
>> >interval or two, you adjust the first string without
>> >muting the other two, then adjust the remaining
>> >strings to clean up the unison.  
>>
>> >Reasons for doing this:  It's faster than messing with
>> >mutes, it produces better unisons, it avoids the
>> >"Virgil Smith Phenomenon" of a unison going flat when
>> >all three strings are vibrating compared to a single
>> >string of the unison by itself.  (Please, let's not
>> >debate the phenomenon.  I'm just asking about
>> >cracking.)
>>
>> >Is this all there is to the technique?  I presume the
>> >hard part is being able to hear the beat clear up on
>> >the 2nd string while the 3rd is still beating away,
>> >akin to dealing with false beats.
>>
>> >Some of the unanswered questions (in my mind):  
>>
>> >1.  How big an adjustment to the unison are we making
>> >when using the cracking technique?  One BPS? Half a
>> >beat? One beat in 15 seconds?    
>>
>> >2.  Do we move the 1st string to create a beat rate
>> >matching the out-of-tuneness of the unacceptable test
>> >interval, or is there some other method at work?  If
>> >the 5th is beating about 1/2 BPS too fast, do we
>> >create a 1/2 BPS unison, then move the other two
>> >strings to eliminate the beat?  
>>
>> >3.  The single vs. three string pitch change "Virgil
>> >Smith Phenomenon": How big a change are we talking
>> >about?  I've read 0.1 to 0.3 cents.  
>>
>> >How close is "close enough"?  I know I'm not yet good
>> >enough to hear some of these small errors in unison
>> >tuning.  I don't know if I could tune two strings to
>> >0.25 cents accuracy while the third was 1.0 cent out. 
>> >Heck, who am I kidding?  Sometimes I don't hear the 1
>> >cent error, especially in upper octaves.  0.25 cents
>> >mid keyboard is about one beat in 16 seconds, right? 
>> >Is that the kind of accuracy we are talking about
>> >here?
>>
>> >I need to see and hear this demonstrated someday, but
>> >I'm hoping someone on the list who is a "crack addict"
>> >can help me with a better written description.  The
>> >archives need clarification, as do my unisons.
>>
>> >Thanks, 
>>
>> >Greg Graham
>> >Brodheadsville, PA
>> >One tuning exam (and several months) away from
>> >RPT-dom.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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