mice in the piano

pianotune05 pianotune05@comcast.net
Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:35:10 -0500


Hi Gorden,
did you wear a mask when you cleaned this piano?  I'm suprised I didn't get 
sick when I took apart a piano my neighbor gave me to use as a practice 
piano, I found a nest and a dead mouse in it under the keys, so decayed, but 
I cleaned the wood with clorox clean up. I've gotten rid of the piano after 
almost a year. I had to saw off the front so I could get it out of the 
house.  Scott helped me move it in.  I still have the action. It was an old 
stark piano.
Marshall
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gordon stelter" <lclgcnp@yahoo.com>
To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: mice in the piano


> If you don't thoroughly clean the interior of the
> piano, you will be putting whomever plays it in danger
> as they, encouraged by the tuning, pound away on it
> and kick up the residue under the keys, and breathe
> it. But cleaning it will put you in danger. Much has
> been written here about mouse-infested pianos, and you
> should check the archives. I was coughing up blood for
> a month once from tuning a  mose-infested piano, and
> ended up at the hospital. Beware. If the infestation
> is more than minor, tell her to get a  different
> piano, and burn this one.
>    Most definitely don't give it to a  poor family
> "for their kids to learn on. " ( What rich people
> usually do with infectious, dangerous pianos, in my
> experience. )
>     G
>     G
>
> --- pianotune05 <pianotune05@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> I got a call today from a lady who told me that
>> there is evidence of mice in the piano, or past
>> mouse activity.  I'm going over to take a look at
>> the piano tomorrow.  Actually, she's willing to pick
>> me up. She drives Mercedes, an old one she tells me.
>>  If the spelling is incorrect, blame my wife.:)
>>
>> Anyway, I won't do anything with the keys and action
>> of the bridal straps are missing until I learn that
>> repair.  However, I want to accomodate her the best
>> I can.  She wants it tuned, but a couple of keys
>> will go down but not up.  I'm guessing there's a
>> mouse nest in the key bed, however, is there
>> something I can do in order to give that key a quick
>> free up so it will go back up before I learn that
>> bridal strap repair etc?   Also, I read in one of
>> our past journals some time back that lavender
>> placed inside the piano helps keep mice away.  Where
>> do I purchase lavender?
>>
>> I apologize if this is a question already exists in
>> the archives as one guy on here reamed mb about a
>> while back, but i'ts a lot easier than hunting down
>> an archive. Thanks so much everyone.
>> Marshall
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: Aart in America Piano Services
>>   To: Pianotech List
>>   Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:15 PM
>>   Subject: harpsichord
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Hi Blaine.
>>
>>     Thank you so much for taking the time to compose
>> this very informative and helpful email.
>>     The directions you have provided are invaluable!
>>
>>     I'll let you and the other good folks on the
>> list know how it comes out.
>>
>>     Very best regards,
>>
>>     Aart
>>
>>     Aart in America Piano Services
>>     Hoboken, N.J. 07030
>>     201 406 2594
>>     aartinamerica@optonline.net
>>
>>     On Feb 16, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Blaine Vesely
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>       Aart,
>>       I get pianotech in digest form and have
>> minimal time to read everything, but your post
>> prompted this email.  Don't even worry about taking
>> inharmonicity measurements with a SAT2 since the
>> machine does not go below 2.0 I think.  A
>> harpsichord modelled after an old Baroque French
>> Double (sounds like this is the kind you will be
>> working on) will not have much inharmonicity.  Just
>> use the 4th octave settings on your SAT to tune from
>> B4 to the bottom of the harpsichord.  A4 will be
>> more toward the treble than the bass side of the
>> keyboard assuming a compass of F to F.  Probably the
>> second A from the top of the range on the keyboard.
>> When you tune the C5 to top of the keyboard, you may
>> have to insert some stretch alittle, but not much.
>> You can use the individual settings and tune the
>> notes directly, like set machine to D5 and tune D5,
>> D#5 and tune D#5.  This gets you in the ballpark
>> pretty much.  Then use your ear to test if some
>> stretch is needed.  On a French Double, you will
>> have two 8 foots and a 4 foot.  I usually tune the
>> top manual.  It will only operate one set of 8 foot
>> strings.  You must make sure the top keyboard is
>> coupled.  Slide the whole keyboard front or back and
>> it will couple the keyboard to the jacks.  When you
>> get the top manual tuned, then play the bottom
>> manual.  Make sure you only have the second set of 8
>> foot strings coupled, and not the 4 foot.  Tune
>> unisons using the bottom keyboard.  Usually the 8
>> foot strings are the tuning pins closest to the
>> player.   Then turn off the 8 foot (lever that moves
>> the jacks) and turn on the 4 foot and tune.  The top
>> 4 foot strings are hard sometimes to hear and you
>> may have to uncouple the top manual and tune octaves
>> with just the 4 foot, usually it is only the last
>> several strings because they are so quiet and high
>> pitched.
>>
>>       Concerning tuning pins, if you have to replace
>> a string, you really have to back out the tuning pin
>> all the way if it has tapered tuning pins.  If it
>> has what look like miniature tuning pins that are
>> straight, then put coils on a dummy pin and then
>> copy what the other strings look like.  I have not
>> done any stringing with pins that have no becket, to
>> if that is the case, you will just have to practice
>> and when you get comfortable with it, go back to the
>> customer.  The pins generally for harpsichords that
>> are of a traditional nature are designed to get
>> tighter when tapped in and thus tapered.  So take
>> the pin out, put the string in (you might want to
>> take the jacks out) and cut it maybe 8 inches longer
>> than the tuning pin.  Copy the way the string is on
>> the pin and it helps to maintain adequate tension
>> when coiling the string on the pin, and drive the
>> pin in the hole.  I have also been told that when
>> you bring the string up to tension that you should
>> leave it a little bit under pitch, maybe 50 - 100
>> cents for a few minutes.  Someone told me that it
>> does something to the molecules in the iron strings
>> and makes it stronger.  Then bring it up to full
>> tension.  Oh yes, the low inharmonicity and lower
>> pitch when stringing thing I just talked about
>> applies to instruments with red, yellow brass and
>> iron strings.  If you know that the instrument has
>> steel strings or has strings that are wound, then
>> there is probably more inharmonicity and will need
>> some stretch eventually in tuning.  One way to tell
>> iron from steel is that when you bend or kink iron,
>> it will be easier to bend and will give you a
>> definite kink.  Steel is harder to put a kink in it.
>>
>>       Some fast thoughts, have fun with it.
>>
>>       Blaine Vesely, Piano Technician
>>       Kent State University
>>       School of Music
>>       Kent, Ohio 44242
>>       office: 330-672-2898
>>       fax: 330-672-7837
>>       email: bvesely@kent.edu
>>
>>
>>
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