temperaments - choosing ? stretched ? not stretched ?

Andrew and Rebeca Anderson anrebe@sbcglobal.net
Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:51:50 -0600


Sounds like you are doing something right, Marshall.

Andrew Anderson
At 06:31 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote:
>I'm curious, speaking of hight notes on the piano.  Is that a good 
>sign that a tuning is a good tuning when the piano has that bright 
>clear ring sound in the trebble?  I tuned a spinit last week that 
>sounded louder according to one of the volunteers at the nursing 
>home where I tuned.  In fact, I have a customer tomorrow who works 
>there and reports that it sounded tinny before, but I mentioned 
>resonants, blame spelling on my wife if incorrect. ;) Anyway, my 
>tuning of a grand piano yesterday revealed that the trebble sounded 
>louder, brighter and full of a crisp clear ring sound.  Does this 
>represent anything in particular?
>Marshall
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie Jusiel" <mags@magsmusic.net>
>To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:42 PM
>Subject: Re: temperaments - choosing ? stretched ? not stretched ?
>
>
>>Hi Philippe,
>>
>>  I'd like to share some of my experiences with this topic, but would
>>first like to point out that I'm still in the learning process.  ;)
>>
>>  I was learning aurally first, but didn't get lots of the details I
>>needed and didn't have good pianos to practice on.  I never got to the
>>point where I trusted myself, so I use TuneLab.  However, if I set a
>>temperament with TuneLab, then tune the rest of the piano to that, I get
>>a very nice tuning with an interesting characteristic...  I will tune
>>the upper octaves to what I hear as being "pure" with no beats, but will
>>end up with a stretch that is anywhere from 10 cents to 40 cents
>>stretched (according to TuneLab).  I believe this to be my ear hearing
>>more of the harmonics instead of the fundamental, and lining those up.
>>The end result is always satisfying, so I go with it.  The variation
>>from piano to piano points out that each piano is different, and putting
>>a "stretch" on it should line up harmonics, not just must make the top
>>end sharp.  Too much of a stretch is just as bad as not enough.  Even
>>two pianos of the same model can end up different depending on how they
>>were taken care of over the years.
>>
>>  I'm not sure if others have this same experience.  I do know that I had
>>my hearing tested and had a deficit in the lower registers, but was off
>>the charts in what I could hear in the higher registers.  I have a
>>feeling most tuners could hear what I am hearing, though.
>>
>>  Last thing...  I've found that many tuners start out setting equal
>>temperament, but end up with a variation of a mean-tone temperament,
>>which works just fine.
>>
>>  ...hope this was helpful...  :D
>>
>>-mags
>>
>>
>>Maggie Jusiel
>>Piano Tuner
>>Winds & Strings Teacher
>>PO Box 1234
>>Athens, WV  24712-1234
>>(304)952-8615
>><mags@magsmusic.net>
>><http://www.magsmusic.net>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I'm currently studying temperaments, and I wonder if a tuner always use a
>>>stretched temperament,
>>>especially since this doesn't seems quite compatible with the use of
>>>electronic tuning devices.
>>>(for the not aural tuners...)
>>>
>>>This question, especially since I've a CD with reference tones for a
>>>stretched temperament, which
>>>seems quite strange since a stretched temperament should depend on the
>>>kind of piano, shouldn't
>>>they ? So what ?
>>>
>>>subsidiary question : as a tuner, do you prefer to use equal temperament ?
>>>or do you prefer to use
>>>another one ? (which one) ... Or do your clients often have their specific
>>>requests ? (in this case
>>>what are you commonly asked ?)
>>>
>>>Philippe Errembault
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Maggie Jusiel
>>Piano Tuner
>>Winds & Strings Teacher
>>PO Box 1234
>>Athens, WV  24712-1234
>>(304)952-8615
>><mags@magsmusic.net>
>><http://www.magsmusic.net>
>>
>>
>><http://www.casparwicky.net/quotepage.html>
>>
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