Well, Matthew, If it is 7983, that puts it about 1968. Does that seem right as you look at the instrument? You are asking good questions, however, you also must answer them. To rebush or not? Well, are the old bushings in poor condition, or OK? Does the client want to pay for a comprehensive rebush/repin, or should you just apply goose juice to free up the bad ones? All depends on what you and your client want the end result to be. Personally, I think if it's worth doing, it really should be done right (thanks Grandpa). I aknowledge, however, that every situation is unique, and you and your client need to have a discussion about their desires, short and long-term, and what each of the potential fixes has to offer them. Respectfully, William R. Monroe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Todd" <toddpianoworks@yahoo.com> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Repinning....Can I pullease get more responses? > Should I take the opportunity to rebush as well? > > Matthew > > "William R. Monroe" <pianotech@a440piano.net> wrote: > David, > > It is a Shafer & Sons grand. Age...........? > > Respectfully, > William R. Monroe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David's Email" > To: "Pianotech" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: Repinning....Can I pullease get more responses? > > > > M... > > > > Is this a studio or grand? > > > > David I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William R. Monroe" > > > To: "Pianotech" > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:40 PM > > Subject: Re: Repinning....Can I pullease get more responses? > > > > > > > Matthew, > > > > > > As I said before, I'd repin in this situation. I would also opt for > > > taking > > > it to the shop - depending on what kind of drive time you would face. > It > > > certainly could be done in the home, but my experience is that these > > > things > > > often take more time than you expect, and further, especially as you are > > > getting the hang of the procedure, it might be nice to not have the > client > > > looking over your shoulder. > > > > > > I'd check each flange, repinning to get each one at a consistent swing > > > number. I know some techs will opt for obtaining a specific level of > > > friction (6 grams, 7 grams, graduating, etc.). I don't know that either > > > method is superior to the other provided you understand the process and > > > what > > > each is telling you - e.g. 7 swings on a bass hammer will have more > > > friction > > > at the pinning than 7 swings on a treble hammer - all other things being > > > equal. > > > > > > What is the make of the piano BTW? Curiosity.......... > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > William R. Monroe > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matthew Todd" > > > To: "Pianotech" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:36 PM > > > Subject: Re: Repinning....Can I pullease get more responses? > > > > > > > > >> Some of the worst hammers there don't swing at all. About six of them > > >> are > > > that bad, and others have between one to two. There are some others > that > > > "seem" to be fine. I say "seem" because I tested their piano by playing > > > it > > > first, finding the really bad ones, then taking the action out and > really > > > examining them to pinpoint the problem. > > >> > > >> Matthew > > >> "William R. Monroe" > wrote: > > >> Hi Matthew, > > >> > > >> You wrote: "Could this just be related to swelling?" > > >> > > >> Only you can tell us. Is it humid there now? Does it get dry in the > > >> winter, and then, are the hammer centers more free? You'll need to do > > >> some > > >> analyzing yourself and determine what is your best solution. If the > > > hammers > > >> are really seized up (less than a couple swings), I'd be comfortable > > > saying > > >> that it's not just humidity, and opt for repinning. Of course, if the > > >> bushings are all full of nastys, maybe needs new bushings? > > >> > > >> Once you've determined the cause of the problem, then determine the > > > solution > > >> that works for you and your client. > > >> > > >> Respectfully, > > >> William R. Monroe > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Matthew Todd" > > >> To: "Pianotech" > > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:20 PM > > >> Subject: Re: Repinning....Can I pullease get more responses? > > >> > > >> > > >> > I believe I will take the action home with me. These are hammer > > >> > centers. > > >> The hammers are very tight to move! Could this just be related to > > > swelling? > > >> > > > >> > This is not a Steinway. I don't believe I have the Mannino, but I do > > > have > > >> a set I ordered from Schaff, and a good center pin punch. > > >> > > > >> > Matthew > > >> > > > >> > J Patrick Draine wrote: > > >> > Matthew, > > >> > If you are already skilled & speedy at repinning action parts, go for > > >> > it. But it sounds like you aren't so ... bring the action to your > > >> > shop. It will probably take you more than 4 hours (are these hammer > > >> > centers? jack centers? damper lever centers??). > > >> > Why are you repinning? Parts frozen up? Are treatment with Protec > > >> > CPL, or sizing the bushings with an alcohol/water solution, viable > > >> > alternative solutions? > > >> > Is this a Steinway?? If so, it's likely you're dealing with > > >> > verdigris, and repinning is seldom the correct remedy (parts > > >> > replacement is best). > > >> > Give us more details and we'll be able to give more precise advice. > > >> > Do you have appropriate tools? The Mannino broaches, a quality center > > >> > pin punch, etc? > > >> > Patrick Draine > > >> > > > >> > On Sep 13, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Matthew Todd wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > I will be undergoing a repinning project on a client's grand. The > > >> > > "G" Piano Works guide says it takes 4 hours. Is it appropiate to > > >> > > do this project in the client's home, or do I need to take the > > >> > > action with me and do it in the shop? If I take the action with > > >> > > me, that brings up another question. If it's raining, how do you > > >> > > all prepare and protect the grand action?? > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --------------------------------- > > >> > Yahoo! for Good > > >> > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------- > > >> Yahoo! for Good > > >> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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