Baoli. I see we are forced to agree on disagreement on the subject matter of workers conditions in China. I realize you have your perspective on the matter, but mine is drawn from my own experiences in eastern asia, and on the work of several independant agencies like the one posted that research and document such things. You say I am wrong about chinese piano workers. I might point out I never said anything at all specifically about chinese piano workers conditions, I only raised the general point that workers conditions in China and elstwhere in eastern asia vary greatly and it (should) behove us to think twice about how the products we buy are produced. That you decide to take this as a direct attack on the Chinese Piano industry tends to give credence to the conclusion that you are a bit sensitive on the issue. As for the hundreds manufacturers of pianos in China. I will grant you that I have experienced directly only a handfull of these. I will also affirm that without exception all of these are what I would characterize as junk at worst, a bad musical investment at best. Yes, at this point I feel confident that this represents the general state of the art in China, and I also feel that this is to be expected given the short history of piano manufacturing in China. I also once again underline that I fully expect China to develop into a major player in the manufacture of quality pianos (grin... and probably every other industry as well) --------------------- You ever claimed"The majority of instruments coming out of China, Indonesia, Russia, and Malaysia just plain dont work." do you think it is a proper way for a professional technician to judge piano qualities by nationality? You misrepresent me here Baoli. I in no way judged pianos by nationality. I simply asserted a fact. That of those instruments that have been made available (in this part of the world at any rate) from those countries, the majority of them just plain dont work. There are at least a few hundreds of piano brands ever made in China,not to mention other brands made in the rest countries,I am wondering how many asian piano brands you ever worked on or even heard of? do you feel confident to claim that the majority of instruments from a certain country "Just don't work"?? I am trying to be honest and disspassionate about these things. I pointed out how similar criticisms can be pointed at even American interests. I underlined that I fully expected Chinese instrument building to improve as time goes by, and that in the not so distant future one should expect decent quality instruments to be readily available from China. I most certainly stand by every word I have written, and in the most earnest of freindly ways insist on disagreeing with you as to the state of the art and state of general working conditions in China at this time. If you wish to argue the later with me, please do so off list and be able to supply counter documentation to the many many critical observations made by organizations of the sort I posted links to just yesterday. I am most certainly open to any good reading on the subject matter. Cheers RicB Thanks! Baoli
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