This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Michael, are you saying that you and the profession in England are = correct and the PTG and all of the people who have passed the RPT tests = are wrong because they use a temperament strip? I am new to this = business, but this kind of information is contrary to everything I have = read in all of the PTG publications. It is very confusing to say the = least. =20 Bob Sutton League City, TX ----- Original MMicahessage -----=20 From: Michael Gamble=20 To: Avery Todd ; pianotech@ptg.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: Re: Using a strip wedge. Was: Moving from Uprights to Grands Maybe and maybe not, Avery.. BUT... it does lay credence to the lack = of tuners coming into the field who can actually tune - however they set = about it. I believe there's also a faculty of tuning at Newark, UK. BTW I tune the unisons "as I go" Regards from a sunny early morning on the Downs Michael G.(UK) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Avery Todd=20 To: Pianotech=20 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 12:59 AM Subject: Re: Moving from Uprights to Grands At 10:22 AM 7/21/05, you wrote: Michael, IMO, that has nothing at all to do with the fact that he = used a temp. strip!=20 Avery=20 He used a felt strip and I cringed - yes... cringed.... as he = poked the felt between the strings to lay the bearings. I am very glad = ears were invented :-) Incidentally when he got to the top all h*ll = broke loose. He - had - no - idea... how to get the top strings right - = and that was after a three year course..... How do those postal courses = work if there's no-one to monitor your results? I'm baffled. Yes... = baffled. ;-) Regards from a beautiful, hot, sunny day in Sussex where there's a = "Hosepipe Ban!" now in force. Our reservoirs are running low. Michael G.(UK) (baffled) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Farrell=20 To: Pianotech=20 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Moving from Uprights to Grands "It has always been looked down upon in the profession here if a = tuner still has to use a temperament strip..." =20 What kind of an environment is it where other piano technicians = watch what another piano technician does during a tuning? I don't think = any tech has ever watched me tune a piano, and only once have I watched = someone else tune a piano. =20 Oh, maybe another tech saw me tune years ago when I was doing = some floor tunings at a dealer. =20 Terry Farrell ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Byeway222@aol.com=20 =20 The whole business of strip muting for either the temperament = octave or even into the further reaches of the piano has alway been = controversial here in UK. Probably like Michael I was trained very = traditionally, to discard the strip mute quite early on and rely on = one's ear for laying the temperament with just two wedges. It has = always been looked down upon in the profession here if a tuner still has = to use a temperament strip, almost suggesting that his/her ear is not = reliable enough to do without it. The analogy being a baby's walking = frame I suppose! Because of this early influence I can actually feel = 'ashamed' if I resort to using a strip or rubber gang mute on a = difficult piano. Do i need psychoanalysis? However, I could actually = argue pretty stongly in favour of using them with very small grands and = uprights where inharmonicity is so pronounced that setting an acceptable = temperament can take more than one pass, and using this aid would be = quicker. When this topic comes under discussion over here it is = generally argued that the temperament is not exactly the same when you = return to complete the unisons and that the whole excercise can be more = time consuming. It would be interesting to know what proportion of tuners is = 'mute free' Ric -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/54 - Release Date: = 7/21/2005 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/a2/c8/bc/77/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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