false beats from??

David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net
Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:48:30 -0800


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I'm not sure what your first sentence means but a loose pin might not =
cause
false beats for a very good reason: the pressure on it from the string =
may
hold it against the bridge in such a way that it is not allowed to
oscillate.  In that case the source of the false beat might, in fact, be
something else.  Sources of false beats may vary and may be compound.  A
piano may also have some of the problems (like loose pins) that =
sometimes
cause false beats and it may not have false beats.  Life is just that
complicated sometimes. =20

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David Love

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-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On =
Behalf
Of Ric Brekne
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:23 PM
To: pianotech
Subject: false beats from??

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Because for an explanation or theory to have any meaning, it has to be=20

consequent in dealing with the phononema it attempts to explain. There=20

are too many cases where this particular theory doesnt hold up.  You can =


tighten a loose pin without solving the problem, you can experience a=20

clean string with absurdly loose pins.  The  <<sometimes>> effect of=20

tightening a loose pin or putting pressure on it points (at least me) in =


another direction.

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If the tight pin theory is really valid, then in nearly all cases... if=20

not all...  a false beat will occur when a pin is loose and it will be=20

eliminated upon tightening the pin. Since this is quite clearly, for not =


to say obviously not true... then the theory has a major problem.

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There is no doubt something that changes sometimes when manipulating the =


pin/pin hole relationship in various fashions.  But it I dont think its=20

even close to been really shown that its simply a matter of the pin=20

being loose. Not by a long shot.

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Cheers

RicB

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If applying CA glue or a screwdriver sometimes helps, how can you not =
buy

the loose pin theory at all?  Short of a defect in the string itself =
(which

can and does happen) false beats are almost always due to poor =
terminations

and can occur on either side of the speaking length.  I imagine a =
scientific

explanation is not complicated though most of the evidence is empirical. =
 It

is also true, however, that a loose pin will not always cause a false =
beat.

It would depend, I assume, on the pin's ability to move freely.  The =
fixes

mentioned below, while they might help, don't always because they may =
not

adequately address the problem. =20

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David Love

davidlovepianos@comcast.net <mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net>=20

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