This is a multipart message in MIME format ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Sort of a no spin zone...? ;-] David I. ----- Original message ----------------------------------------> From: Carl Meyer <cmpiano@comcast.net> To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> Received: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:41:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Practicing on a not so good piano: was RE: tax= deductions? To Ryan and Richard: Not only is BS not pure, it's not in short= supply. You see, I recognize BS by sight, sound and smell. Those three= senses should be enough without using others. I have a patent on= a BS filter that I keep turned on high especially when I read= the list or am in a Doctors office. BS can be contaminated with= political crap. Even if it is non-partisan. You can't eliminate BS by shooting the bull. Carl Meyer Ptg assoc Santa Clara, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Sowers To: Pianotech Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:13 PM Subject: Re: Practicing on a not so good piano: was RE: tax= deductions? How do you know? Do you have some unusual hobbies that you would= like to share with us? Carl Meyer <cmpiano@comcast.net> wrote: I disagree. BS in not pure. Carl Meyer Ptg assoc Santa Clara, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Love To: 'Pianotech' Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Practicing on a not so good piano: was RE: tax= deductions? I would say that the idea that practicing on a not so great piano= makes you a better pianist is at least counterintuitive, at= most, pure BS. Much of learning and refining piano skills has= to do with developing your sense of hearing and connecting what= your hands do to what your ears hear. It is not, afterall, the= same as learning to type. The poorer the piano, the more you= learn to not listen, to ignore what you hear and therefore= surrender control over what you are trying to accomplish= musically. Wondering whether the mechanical problems you are= encountering in executing a difficult passage belong to your= fingers or the action can o! nly serve to confuse the issue more= and force you into some bad habits with respect to relaxation= that will not serve your technique or tone production at all. = And as far as advocating poorer pianos for our adult piano= students to improve their technique=85well that would be= counterproductive. Remember, critical thinking is a privilege,= not a right. You have to earn it. David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org= [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Avery Todd Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:51 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: tax deductions? Bull hockey! Avery At 09:23 PM 9/23/04, you wrote: Richard said: "I tell them that children and or adults will practice more and= can get much more from the practice with a good piano." That is only good to a certain extent. After the kid, or adult= progresses to a certain level, it will be more beneficial to= practice on a not so great piano. It can do many great wonders= to piano technique. Matthew Richard Oliver Snelson <rsnelson0984@mchsi.com> wrote: That's not what Ryan said, Mr. Hechler. Too bad about your nerve,= must be the same one you often hit when your past rants about M.S. I will do exactly what Ryan said also. Finding a junk spinet or= console in a nice home with an older child or younger taking serious lessons= on it will bring on a discussion with the mother or father. I don't care if= they ever call me back to tune for them. I tell them that children and or= adults will practice more and can get much more from the practice with a good= piano. I have never had anyone get mad at me, they say wow! No one has had= the nerve to be honest with us about the piano. After all someone gave it= too us and we really thought it would be nice to have a better piano for our= son/daughter to play. Note I didn't say "Grand." And I never= follow the above discussion with the fact that I might h! ave used pianos= for sale. Play your antique piano all you want Mr. Hechler I'll keep on= enjoying my grand piano and having the pleasure of going back to my customers= house when they call to say they purchased a better piano. Why should Ryan keep his statement to himself? You never follow= that advice. Now do you? Richard Oliver Snelson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hechler Family" To: "Pianotech" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: tax deductions? > Ryan, > > Boy have you hit a major nerve with me. > > Based on your comment, everyone should upgrade to a grand.= Nearly 99 > percent of my business is the pianos you mentioned below. If= which 99 > percent have no space for a grand or don't want a grand. And to= top things > off, I own an antique player piano which is a Story & Clark= which I feel > is a g! ood quality instrument. Finally, I also rebuild antique= pump organs > which are not upgradeable. > > So please keep your blanket statements to yourself. > > P.S. I recently acquired a player piano rebuilt job for a= Gulbransen > piano. > > Ryan Sowers wrote: > > > >> Very frequently I am encouraging people to upgrade their= spinet, >> consoles, and worn-out uprights. How could I do this in good= faith if I >> don't personally value the instrument enough to warrant owning= a good >> quality one. > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Organ, Pump Organ > Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > Associate Member of the Piano Technicians Guild > Reed Organ Society Member > St. Louis, MO 63034 > (314) 838-5587 > dahechler@charter.net > > _______________________________________________ > pianot! ech list info:= https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > _______________________________________________ pianotech list info:= https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Ryan Sowers, RPT Puget Sound Chapter Pianova Piano Service Olympia, WA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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