Practicing on a not so good piano: was RE: tax deductions?

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:22:13 -0700


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Sort of a no spin zone...?   ;-]

David I.

----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
From: Carl Meyer <cmpiano@comcast.net>
To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:41:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Practicing on a not so good piano:  was RE: tax=
 deductions?

 
To Ryan and Richard:  Not only is BS not pure, it's not in short=
 supply.
 
You see, I recognize BS by sight, sound and smell. Those three=
 senses should be enough without using others. I have a patent on=
 a BS filter that I  keep turned on high especially when I read=
 the list or am in a Doctors office.  BS can be contaminated with=
 political crap.  Even if it is non-partisan.
 
You can't eliminate BS by shooting the bull.
 
Carl Meyer Ptg assoc
Santa Clara, Ca.
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ryan Sowers 
To: Pianotech 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Practicing on a not so good piano: was RE: tax=
 deductions?


How do you know? Do you have some unusual hobbies that you would=
 like to share with us?

Carl Meyer <cmpiano@comcast.net> wrote: 
I disagree. BS in not pure.
 
Carl Meyer Ptg assoc
Santa Clara, Ca.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Love 
To: 'Pianotech' 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: Practicing on a not so good piano: was RE: tax=
 deductions?


I would say that the idea that practicing on a not so great piano=
 makes you a better pianist is at least counterintuitive, at=
 most, pure BS.  Much of learning and refining piano skills has=
 to do with developing your sense of hearing and connecting what=
 your hands do to what your ears hear.  It is not, afterall, the=
 same as learning to type.  The poorer the piano, the more you=
 learn to not listen, to ignore what you hear and therefore=
 surrender control over what you are trying to accomplish=
 musically.  Wondering whether the mechanical problems you are=
 encountering in executing a difficult passage belong to your=
 fingers or the action can o! nly serve to confuse the issue more=
 and force you into some bad habits with respect to relaxation=
 that will not serve your technique or tone production at all.  =
 And as far as advocating poorer pianos for our adult piano=
 students to improve their technique=85well that would be=
 counterproductive.  Remember, critical thinking is a privilege,=
 not a right.  You have to earn it.  
 
David Love
davidlovepianos@comcast.net 
-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org=
 [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Avery Todd
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:51 PM
To: Pianotech
Subject: Re: tax deductions?
 
Bull hockey! 

Avery 

At 09:23 PM 9/23/04, you wrote:


Richard said:
 
"I tell them that children and or adults will practice more and=
 can get much more from the practice with a good piano."
 
That is only good to a certain extent.  After the kid, or adult=
 progresses to a certain level, it will be more beneficial to=
 practice on a not so great piano.  It can do many great wonders=
 to piano technique.
Matthew


Richard Oliver Snelson <rsnelson0984@mchsi.com> wrote:
That's not what Ryan said, Mr. Hechler. Too bad about your nerve,=
 must be 
the same one you often hit when your past rants about M.S.
I will do exactly what Ryan said also. Finding a junk spinet or=
 console in 
a nice home with an older child or younger taking serious lessons=
 on it will 
bring on a discussion with the mother or father. I don't care if=
 they ever 
call me back to tune for them. I tell them that children and or=
 adults will 
practice more and can get much more from the practice with a good=
 piano. I 
have never had anyone get mad at me, they say wow! No one has had=
 the nerve 
to be honest with us about the piano. After all someone gave it=
 too us and 
we really thought it would be nice to have a better piano for our=
 
son/daughter to play. Note I didn't say "Grand." And I never=
 follow the 
above discussion with the fact that I might h! ave used pianos=
 for sale.
Play your antique piano all you want Mr. Hechler I'll keep on=
 enjoying my 
grand piano and having the pleasure of going back to my customers=
 house when 
they call to say they purchased a better piano.
Why should Ryan keep his statement to himself? You never follow=
 that advice. 
Now do you?
Richard Oliver Snelson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hechler Family" 
To: "Pianotech" 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: tax deductions?


> Ryan,
>
> Boy have you hit a major nerve with me.
>
> Based on your comment, everyone should upgrade to a grand.=
 Nearly 99 
> percent of my business is the pianos you mentioned below. If=
 which 99 
> percent have no space for a grand or don't want a grand. And to=
 top things 
> off, I own an antique player piano which is a Story & Clark=
 which I feel 
> is a g! ood quality instrument. Finally, I also rebuild antique=
 pump organs 
> which are not upgradeable.
>
> So please keep your blanket statements to yourself.
>
> P.S. I recently acquired a player piano rebuilt job for a=
 Gulbransen 
> piano.
>
> Ryan Sowers wrote:
>
> 
>
>> Very frequently I am encouraging people to upgrade their=
 spinet, 
>> consoles, and worn-out uprights. How could I do this in good=
 faith if I 
>> don't personally value the instrument enough to warrant owning=
 a good 
>> quality one.
>
> -- 
> Duaine Hechler
> Piano, Player Piano, Organ, Pump Organ
> Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding
> Associate Member of the Piano Technicians Guild
> Reed Organ Society Member
> St. Louis, MO 63034
> (314) 838-5587
> dahechler@charter.net
>
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