Hello Ron, Here are some of the long promised pictures of the Sohmer, Chickering and Mason & Hamlin pianos. Pics # 33-37 are general views of the agraffe bridge of the Sohmer. Pics # 38-40 show the elevation of the rear structure of the bridge and show the front of the bridge being lifted up by the string. Pics # 41-44 show other views of the Sohmer Pics # 45 shows the unusual drilled capo of the Sohmer Pics # 45-47 show the underside of the soundboard with the characteristic maple strip let in under the ribs and attached to the board, a feature which attempted to offset of the moment created by the upward pull at the front of the agraffe. Pic # 49 shows the cut-off bar and the rim Pic # 50 shows the over-all shape of the case The next set is of the Chickering 121 referred to in the earlier message a week or so ago. This piano is 5 ft 4 inches long. Pic # 52-54 show views the tenor area of the long bridge and the bass bridge. Note the bass bridge is at quite a distance from a similar point on the long bridge; the result is a longer speaking length relative to the Steinway type of placement. The backscale is also apparent. The next set is of a Chickering 123C, a 6ft 6 inch piano, extremely similar to the 121 but scaled up to the larger size. The section breaks are in identical locations on this model and also the 122, a 5 ft 1 inch instrument. Pic # 56 - 61 show similar views of the layout on the 123; note the extremely long backscale lengths, something, given the sound of this piano which lends support to your argument regarding the negative effect of short backscales. Sorry for the dust. Pic # 62 shows the cantilever support for the bass bridge. Given that the bridge is so far from the edge of the board and the cantilever is so very small, one can wonder whether the extra length it imparts is that important relative to placing the bridge an inch closer to the edge of the board. Particularly so were there any real detriment attendant to the use of such a cantilever, which I doubt. Obviously the design department considered is important, and, any detriment insignificant, or, at least worth the trade-off. The other pictures follow in another post. Regards, Robin Hufford Hello Ron, To continue: re: 123C Pics # 62 - 66 show the very long backscale lengths Pic # 67 shows a similar area of the bridges on a Steinway B Pic # 68 is a final view of the 123c looking along the bass strings toward the bridge The next pictures show some of the treble ribbing of a Mason & Hamlin Symetrigrand piano. Pic # 69 - treble ribbing with my average sized hand for a perspective. Pics # 70 - Symetrigrand.tif show various aspects of this piano. The next set is from a Chickering 141A CG (1928) Pic# 21 shows a bar cast into the plate to serve a similar function to that describe by yourself regarding the felt & string rusting, and increased friction on the Steinway A post of a month or so ago. The other pictures show the bar and the untuned from duplex. These pianos have a tunable rear duplex although the tuning I have encountered on them and the 141's is not tuned to conventional harmonics. [The unusually large number of photos may be browsed by scrolling down the page and clicking on the links at:] http://tinyurl.com/4hbvl and http://tinyurl.com/6hxef Direct ptg.org URLs: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/files/2004-September/000166.html and https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/files/2004-September/000167.html
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