Lower front weight first?

Clyde Allen tunepiano1@yahoo.com
Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:19:36 -0700 (PDT)


Thanks much, Bob.

Clyde

--- Bob Hull <hullfam5@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Clyde,
> 
> David Stanwood has written articles in the Piano
> Technicians Journals that explain this metrology for
> measuring touchweight.  If you have access to back
> issues of the Journal look these up and read, and
> reread and reread...  
> 
> Also, you might get a little additional info by
> searching the archives of this list.  Look for
> postings by keywords such as Stanwood, touchweight,
> strike weight and balance weight.
> 
> The guild will sometimes have classes taught by
> David
> Stanwood at the convention.  It seems to be time for
> this to be offered again.
> 
> Bob Hull
> --- Clyde Allen <tunepiano1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Bob,
> > Where can I find definitions and how to measure
> > these various quantities you folks are discussing.
> > It sounds very interesting but I am in the dark!
> SW,
> > DW, UW, FrontW, WBW etc... etc... etc... Thanks
> for
> > your reply.
> >  
> > Clyde Allen
> > Silver Spring, MD
> > 
> > 
> > Bob Hull <hullfam5@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi Richard,
> > 
> > Thanks for your reply.
> > 
> > you wrote: Stanwood suggests given SW curves for
> > > each Ratio and BW... 
> > > tho you dont see that on most of the Smart
> Charts
> > > published.
> > > 
> > > If you give us some more specifics, perhaps we
> can
> > > offer better advice.
> > 
> > Where are these sw curves suggested in correlation
> > to
> > particular ratios and BWs ? You referred to a
> number
> > 10 curve. I'll give some more details here about
> > this
> > action. This is with the new hammers.
> > 
> > N SW D U BW FrontW R WBWAvg.
> >
> ___________________________________________________
> > 1 12.1 56 27 41.5 37.5 5.7 9
> > 2 11.6 56 27 41.5 32.9 5.6 9
> > 9 11.5 50 23 36.5 39.0 5.78 etc.
> > 10 11.7 53 28 40.5 32.6 5.4 
> > 16 11.4 48 20 34 40.8 5.7
> > 17 11.1 48 21 34.5 37.1 5.6
> > 28 10.8 48 25 36.5 32.1 5.5
> > 29 10.4 44 19 31.5 35.2 5.5
> > 40 9.7 31.6
> > *(40 10.8 48 26 37 31.6 5.5)
> > 41 9.6 40 17 28.5 33.1 5.4
> > 52 9.5 44 22 33 29.2 5.6
> > 53 9.3 46 21 33.5 27.2 5.5
> > 64 8.3 46 27 36.5 20.3 5.7
> > 65 8.2 44 26 35 19.3 5.5
> > 87 6.6 49 29 39 6.8 5.5
> > 88 6.4 50 34 42 3.5 5.7
> > 
> > (*C40 had 1.1 g temporarily added to the hammer)
> > 
> > Do I understand that BW should be fairly constant
> > across the keyboard while SW, Frontweight and
> > downweight are going to smoothly decrease?
> Although,
> > downweight may just decrease from 52 to 48. 
> > 
> > Also, for good tonal projection is a sw of 12
> > enough?
> > 
> > I hope this info will help you advise me if you
> > don't
> > mind. Thank you.
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi Bob
> > > 
> > > You dont really leave us much to go on here to
> > offer
> > > any real advice. 
> > > One of the great assets of Stanwoods method is
> the
> > > whole slew of terms 
> > > and definitions that allow us to easily converse
> > > about and understand 
> > > any given touchweight situation. You mention a
> 5.5
> > > ratio as an optimal, 
> > > and that you are having problems dealing with
> > > appropriate Frontweights 
> > > for a given Strikeweight curve.. without
> > mentioning
> > > what that curve is.
> > > 
> > > To begin with... A 5.5 ratio will yield a number
> > 10
> > > (if I remember 
> > > right) curve assuming a 9.0 whippen radius
> weight
> > > and a 38 gram BW. 
> > > This will also yeild the maximum Front weights
> > > published in the Stanwood 
> > > kit.
> > > 
> > > From that perspective... it doesnt really matter
> > > which you do first.. 
> > > All that matters is that you do your diagnostics
> > > right and arrive at the 
> > > correct Balance Weight Ratio... (SWR).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The point is... when you know your Ratio, have
> > > decided upon your desired 
> > > BW... the rest is more or less given. You can
> > > juggle SW curves if you 
> > > want... but 
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > > RicB
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bob Hull wrote:
> > > 
> > > >These are questions about component touchweight
> > > >balancing with the SmartChartTM.
> > > >
> > > >I have put new hammers on an action and I'm
> > working
> > > on
> > > >getting the strike weight smoothed. There are a
> > > good
> > > >many keys that exceed the front weight ceiling.
> > The
> > > >leading doesn't "look" excessive like some
> > leading
> > > >I've seen before. 
> > > >
> > > >A strike weight ratio of 5.5 is what I
> understand
> > > to
> > > >be best for this piano. 
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > why... specifically ?
> > > 
> > > >Should the front weight issue be adressed first
> > > even
> > > >if it has to be adjusted again? The strike
> > weights
> > > >will need to be adjusted mostly upwards. 
> > > >
> > > >I'll appreciate your comments.
> > > >
> > > >Bob
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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