Jason asks: << Since the vise grip has an edge, doesn't that make this tool slightly less effective than the roundnose plier? >> Perhaps, but I have tied hundreds of knots,(technically, when two pieces are joined, it is a "bend"), and never had a problem. The vise aspect allows for an easier turn, and the part of the wire that is possibly kinked is not the part that takes the greatest load. Regards, Ed Foote RPT http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html
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