"should I stay or should I go?"

[baoli liu]

Usually,the factory tuning is not very accuate except
the last one or tow pass/tuning.

--- David Ilvedson <ilvey@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> You don't really think those pianos were actually
> tuned do you...
> 
> David I.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original message
> ---------------------------------------->
> From: baoli liu <baoli_liu@yahoo.com>
> To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Received: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:12:15 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?"
> 
> >Years back,I had visited a few asian piano
> >factories,because of the mass production(more than
> a
> >hundred pianos every day),a goup of tuners have to
> >tune pianos side by side with loud nosiy
> >background.all of the tuners,including some young
> >tuners tune pianos this way every day.
> 
> >It is always easy to tune pianos in a nice and
> quite
> >place.But being a technician,especially a concert
> >technician,I think it is a "must" skill/ability to
> >tune pianos with noisy background.
> >Baoli Liu
> 
> 
> >>   You do the best you can in the situation.   I'm
> in
> >> total agreement.   Another reason why I love my
> ETD.
> >>   I know, if I have to, I can tune every string
> to
> >> the ETD and the piano will sound pretty good.
> >> 
> >>   David I.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   ----- Original message
> >> ---------------------------------------->
> >>   From: antares <antares@euronet.nl>
> >>   To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
> >>   Received: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:18:19 +0100
> >>   Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?"
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   On the other hand Dave Skolnik,
> >> 
> >>   Most of the time we have no choice but to grin
> and
> >> ignore.
> >>   I used to get incredibly furious, swear at
> people,
> >> stamp my feet or even walk away from the scene in
> >> terrible anger.
> >>   And you know what?
> >>   The years went by, and I am still tuning in the
> >> same conditions.
> >>   And you know what?
> >>   I don't care anymore.
> >> 
> >>   I ignore
> >>   and 
> >>   I grin.
> >> 
> >>   André Oorebeek
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   On 10-nov-04, at 22:32, David Skolnik wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>     Quentin -
> >> 
> >>     There is no one answer when you are talking
> >> about theater, which, for these purposes,
> includes
> >> concerts.  Even if you are dealing with a regular
> >> account, it can take a long time and a lot of
> work,
> >> to train the people around you, or the people who
> >> create the schedule, before the requirements for
> >> tuning become accepted and anticipated.  And
> then,
> >> sometimes, sh_t happens.  A rehearsal goes late,
> >> last minute stagecraft, etc.  The best approach,
> I
> >> think, is to be  bit anal when making the
> original
> >> arrangements.  Ask the scheduler if there is
> >> anything, as in  ANYTHING, else going on during
> the
> >> tuning time.  Sometimes the scheduler and
> >> maintenance, or stage crew, don't communicate so
> >> well.  It's worth double checking.  
> >> 
> >>     It is true how amazing it is that people
> >> (especially musicians) don't make the connection
> >> between tuning and the need for silence, which
> >> includes shuffling papers, whispering, or
> sometimes,
> >> breathing, but, on the other hand, why should
> they
> >> know.  There are times when the only course is to
> >> ask someone to desist,,,as politely as possible. 
> At
> >> other times, again, preparing for performance,
> other
> >> people may have jobs that have to get done.  Then
> it
> >> becomes a matter of determining what level of
> noise
> >> is essential for them to fulfill their
> >> responsibilities, and what part of the usual
> noise
> >> can, in this case be reasonably suppressed.
> >> 
> >>     Regarding the 2 or 3 people chatting vs. 15
> >> making noise, sometimes the few can be more
> >> annoying, to me.  A lot of the time it depends
> upon
> >> the need.  The 15 may have no choice but to carry
> >> on, to prepare for a show, while the 2 or 3 could
> >> probably take the conversation somewhere else.  I
> >> will not hesitate to enlighten someone for a few
> >> offenses:
> >> 
> >>     Unnecessary conversation or laughter
> >>     Singing- especially the note I'm tuning
> >>     Whistling, ESPECIALLY THE NOTE I'M TUNING
> >>     Jingling keys on a key ring
> >> 
> >>     No noise accepted for a recording session
> >> tuning.
> >> 
> >>     Otherwise, it's Show Business.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>     David Skolnik
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>     At 05:44 PM 11/10/2004 +0100, you wrote:
> >> 
> >>     Hi Patrick,
> >>      
> >>     This afternoon, I had to tune for a concert
> in a
> >> small hall.
> >>     I tuned the piano this morning, and had to
> check
> >> it another time when it was installed.
> >>     People started installing the stage for the
> >> choir (nearly 50 singers I think) just after I
> began
> >> checking everything.
> >>     Some notes were a little bit out of tune, I
> had
> >> to tune them correctly.
> >>     People were trailing the stage "blocks"
> >> everywhere and shouting at each other because
> they
> >> should have finished work sooner and people
> wanted
> >> to go back home.
> >>     I asked for silence, everything remained
> noisy
> >> all around me.
> >>     I decided to... go ;-)
> >>      
> >>     If they totally didn't care about my
> >> concentration and about what I was doing, that's
> >> because they 'd probably think the piano was good
> as
> >> it was.
> >>      
> >> 
> >>     and...
> >> 
> >> 
> >>     But don't you think people should realize
> that
> >> making a good tuning requires good conditions?
> >>      
> >>     There is a difference between 2 or 3 people
> >> chatting and 15 persons screaming and moving
> chairs
> >> and wood panels all around you while you're
> tuning !
> >>      
> >>     I think I would have preferred 2 or 3 people
> >> discussing in a normal way instead of this
> >> disturbing noises !
> >>      
> >>     Quentin
> 
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