---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On 15-mei-04, at 15:59, Erwinspiano@aol.com wrote: > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0The Andre - The acknowledged Wurzen felt champion > =A0Friendly greetings to you. Good post Thank you Dale. > =A0=A0 > The more I read about this issue, the more I come to the conclusion > that: > There is actually a discussion going on between the inhabitants of two > different continents, The USA and Europe. > For some reason, there has been created a difference in the making of > hammers. I do not know why. > > >> They may be different but the Wurzen felt on both continents I=20 > believe are getting a bit closer in design. & that's OK I think it is very good development and probably only possible with=20 the aid of this list, as pianotech is the perfect place for exchange of=20= knowledge and experience. I have the feeling that the development of felt and hammers is=20 expanding rapidly and it is a logical and natural development because=20 it is high time for all of us to be able to get the very best hammers=20 and hammer felt. It is all the more interesting if we delve a little into the history of=20= felt making and thus hammer making, and see how, because of the=20 oppression of the former USSR, a factory at its zenith of felt making,=20= was forced to stop the production. This meant that for many years, a=20 few generations had to work with felt of a lesser quality to which they=20= had to adapt their technique. I am a typical example of a technician, who was trained in the felt,=20 available after the 50's, plus the Royal George felt because I started=20= working for Yamaha (as a freelancer) and during the same time (the=20 90's) got a chance to get familiar with Wurzen felt after the=20 re-introduction in the beginning of the 90's. The latest AA quality is definitely a high point in the development of=20= hammer felt and it should be made known to all technicians world wide. Let it also be known that I own no stocks in Wurzen, nor do I make any=20= money for my promotional work. My words here are purely an account of=20 my experience as a voicing tech with the very best stuff we have at=20 this moment. > > This difference in making hammers and at the same time making use of > separate felt markets, has created different methods in making hammer > felt, hammer heads, and ultimately a different piano sound. > Roughly speaking, we may now say that there are piano's with doped > hammers, and there are piano's with non doped hammers. > Both continents make use of a kind of hammer dope, but the difference > in the use of said hammer dopes is caused by the different felt=20 > makers, > the different hammer makers and finally the difference in sound, > favored by the different kind of pianists, depending in which=20 > continent > they live. > =A0=A0 > > I believe this is accurate > > For years, I have spoken about an old/new felt that came back after > more than 40-50 years. It is of course the Wurzen felt, brought back=20= > to > us by Jack Brand, the owner/director of the Wurzen factory in Wurzen, > Germany. > Together with Richard Brekne we explored the latest AA Wurzen quality > on an older Yamaha C3 grand. I dare say the fine result we achieved=20= > was > most certainly due to the improved quality of the hammer felt. > At the same time, we now see that very same felt being sold in the US > and Canada, and we notice that that very same felt is treated in a > completely different way, namely with hammer dope.>>=A0=A0 > >> I feel the need to clarify a point of fact about this statement.=20= > Our discussion of juicing hammers may I have lead some to believe that=20= > the Ronsen Hammers always need to be treated & that's simply not=20 > true.(or stwy hammers for that matter)=A0For the sound I want = typically=20 > some sets(Ronsen) require a small amount of needling in the middle=20 > octave to open the sound.=A0For my ear I like a thin solution in the=20= > bass(but not always)=A0but the tenor & trebles are usually left alone=20= > except light filing and ironing.=A0Most of this experience has been = with=20 > the Abel felt.=A0 To me personally, that is good news because it is exactly how I think=20= it should be (a limited amount of needling and a limited use of juice) The difficulty however lies in the process of hammer making : it is=20 very difficult for a hammer maker to make hammers exactly conform the=20 wishes and demands of the customer. That explains the continual slight difference between one set and the=20 next one. According to my experience, I need hammers that require some cushion=20 making, with the possibility of a rich battery, to have a full palette=20= of tonal colors. > =A0=A0 The Wurzen felt is another story & I personally have only=20 > installed one set so far & am waiting to install a few more sets=20 > before an accurate assessment can be made. However I can tell by=20 > examining the sets on hand that we have something special & am eager=20= > to have more experience soon. Salut to Ray Negron! > For what its worth I'm not sure its as clear cut as your above=20 > statement but the acceptance of juicing hammer in the States is more=20= > common for sure. As a non-native, it is hard for me to get a clear picture. All I know=20 about this matter, is derived from this list, and thus from a handful=20 of subscriber, because the vast majority of list subscribers chooses to=20= lurk in utter silence. (what a pity they never open their 'mouths',=20 this list could be even more interesting). > =A0=A0 > =A0=A0Friendly =A0Yankee regards > =A0=A0=A0 Dale Erwin > > It shows clearly that we can have a discussion for sure, but methods > differ, and tastes too. > How can we talk about a difference in taste? > =A0=A0=A0=A0 > Candidly with respect. And so be it! (; >)) > > > friendly greetings from Andr=E9 Oorebeek Amsterdam - The Netherlands 0031-20-6237357 0645-492389 0031-75-6226878 www.concertpianoservice.nl www.grandpiano.nl "where music is, no harm can be" ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 8516 bytes Desc: not available Url : https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/dc/a5/81/61/attachment.bin ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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