Out of tune(probably an argument, here)

[vinny samarco]

Hi Jim,
Thank you for clarifying this.  I will have to experiment.
Where I learned to tune, I was taught that dead on unisons were the only
acceptable kind.
The problem I face is that a lot of the pianos I deal with are Asian
consoles with tons of false beats, where I am trying everything I know to
tune around these so they are not apparent.
As a pianist, I was always taught that maximum sustaining power would come
from the best use of finger connection with the best use of the damper
pedal.
If this technique you are speaking uf is only measurable by machine, then
I'm sunk, since I am blind an tune only by ear.
As I am writing, I do remember a few instances where some dead on unisons in
the killer octave seemed to die away to soon, and that I did alter one
string to try to cause the tone to sustain more.
Thank you all again for sharing your many years of wisdom and experience.
Vinny Samarco

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JIMRPT@aol.com>
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Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Out of tune(probably an argument, here)


>
> In a message dated 10/05/04 4:44:07 PM, vinsam@sympatico.ca writes:
>
> << Hi Ed, I can understand where you are coming from, and it is good to be
>
> able to be as tollerant as you are of out-of-tuness.  >>
>
> Vinny;
>  Let me jump in here with a comment. For all pratical purposes a slightly
> un-unisoned unison :) is not quite the same thing as being "out-of-tune"
your
> sensibilities notwithstanding.
>  For the most part when I am talking about warping a string of a unison it
> would be unnoticable unless one were specifically looking for it...say one
beat,
> or almost one beat, per 2 or 3 seconds.......hardly enough to be "out of
> tune" but not really "tuned" dead on either.
>
>  What this allows is a constant 'bloom' of the note when played in a
'normal'
> fashion and held for a 'normal' musical beat.
>
>  I don't think what Ed is talking about is your average barroom piano
shaped
> thingee which gets attention to its tuning every three or four years or
when
> the proper amount of keys stop working. :-)
>
>  This technique is not for all pianos or all situations but when it is
> needful it is a tremendous tool to have in your wet ware.
> Jim Bryant (FL)
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