loose loose tuning pins

[Dean May]

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John,
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Some questions
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I presume you used thin variety that was not old.
When you say a lot, how much in oz?
What brand did you use?
Did you use accelerator?
How much time did you allow to elapse before you tried it?
Have you been back for a follow up to see if there is any improvement?
Was it only a handful of pins that continued to cause problems?
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I have never encountered a piano as you describe that did not show major =
improvement after treatment. In fact one grand that was particularly bad =
in my early days of doing this, I applied top and bottom with 4-6 oz as =
you describe. The pins grew so tight you could barely turn them, but it =
took a few days. When you apply a lot of glue it takes a few days for it =
to fully cure.=20
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Blessings
Dean
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Dean May             cell 812.239.3359
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Terre Haute IN  47802
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-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On =
Behalf Of John M. Formsma
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:35 AM
To: Pianotech
Subject: RE: loose loose tuning pins
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Julia,
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I've had a piano that did not respond to two treatments. It holds =
barely, but not well enough for fine tuning. In fact, on this small =
grand, I had tipped the piano upside down to apply a LOT of CA to the =
underside of the block. It was disappointing to find out that when the =
piano was upright again it hadn't worked, although another application =
from the top helped a tiny bit.
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I always tell the customer that CA might not work.=20
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Repinning is needed when you have loose pins, and there is enough money =
to pay your labor. :-) But, always educate the customer about rebuilding =
and better performance the piano will have.
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You can keep the old wire when restringing, but it's just as easy to =
replace with new.
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John Formsma
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-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On =
Behalf Of Alpha88x@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:50 PM
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Subject: loose loose tuning pins
Greetings.

             How tight can CA glue make really loose tuning pins? Is =
there a limitation to it's effectiveness. I would think if they are =
really loose, (so loose that you can actually see a tuning hammer ride =
back as fast as the sweep second hand of a watch!) that maybe 4 =
treatments on those pins might do the trick, but I don't know. Any =
suggestions? What sanctions a repinning job? If one does re-pin a piano =
must all the strings be replaced with new ones or can you re-string the =
old back on?

Julia Gottchall
Reading, PA=20

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