This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Andre, this may surprise you, but in many regards I agree with you = whole-heartedly. A religious discussion does not belong in a public = forum where we are all of differing view points. If you do or do not = choose to believe in some form of God, that is fine, and you should be = left alone. If you do believe in a creator, if you will, then you should = have the same respect afforded you, and not have people throw their = opinion that their faith is a source of evil in the world. I'm not = saving that you have ever done this, I don't remember this ever = happening, and I believe you are of too gentle and thoughtful a = persuasion to be that callous. Having said that, the problems with = religions today is not from the religions themselves, if indeed they = were the teachings of a higher being, but by the people who have failed = to get the message, and have perverted it. When someone stands up and = says he's religious, or believes in a supreme being, more often than not = he's just stating who he or she is, and what they base their principles = upon. A very well thought out post, by the way.=20 I would be more than happy to see this topic go away myself.. Kevin E. Ramsey The Bible is a book, written by religious people for religious people, = people who believe in a deity and a heaven and a hell or what ever. These same religious people also believe that non-believers should be, = no, must be, converted otherwise they, the non-believers, go to hell. A religious experience, a mystical experience, is a very personal and = private matter. It is understandable that somebody who has had a deeply = religious or deeply mystical experience very much wants to share his or = her exaltation. Unfortunately, the people who are so deeply religious, do not want to = get it through their religious skulls that there is a vast group of = other inhabitants of this planet who can not , do not, and shall not = share the same religious or mystical experience. (Maybe so called = non-believers will have there own mystical moment in time, but that is = another matter) These same religious people are not dumb or stupid, so they do = understand that there are others with a different opinion, but the = irritating truth often is that they do not want to let others have a = free and un-hindered life, a life in which they can have their own = experiences and and there own developments, without the egotistical wish = from believers to proselytize and forcefully convert innocent beings. Again I say, read our history books and you will come to the = conclusion that most wars were fought because of religious intolerance.=20 Look at the Roman games where the early Christians were murdered by = Romans who did not share their vision, look at the endless torture and = prosecution of the inquisition in the middle ages, the invasion of the = moors in Spain, the crusades into the 'holy land', the endless wars = between the protestants and the catholics, the hateful murders committed = by totally INtolerant muslims who want to just erase every non-muslim. I live in a so called tolerant country and I wish to be tolerant. I am = tolerant towards all kinds of political movements, to all kinds of = religious groups. All I want is peace and happiness for my fellow = humans, and all I expect is the same tolerance towards the fact that I = may be of a different opinion. So please, do not choose this email forum as your religious platform = and try to understand that your personal religious experience should be = shared not on this list but among your own co-believers, just out of = respect for people who might think otherwise. Thank you for your tolerance, OK? Andr=E9 Oorebeek Amsterdam - The Netherlands 0031-20-6237357 0645-492389 0031-75-6226878 www.concertpianoservice.nl www.grandpiano.nl "where music is, no harm can be" ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/16/f7/78/c0/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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