Hi Dave Ah yes... well the only one tossing a P12th tuning around on the list these past couple years has been myself with my Tunelab rendering. Bernhard has jumped in more recently and claims origin of the idea, but I rather think it predates him as well. No biggie really one way or the other as I think its probably one of the more natural tendencies in tuning to get 5th variants as quite as possible. More then likely there have been folks doing more or less this kind of thing for quite some time. The thing about insuring as pure a 12th as possible for the entire tenor/treble region is that it takes over as the determinant for the tuning, aligning octaves as a consequence, not directly. Cheers RicB Ric, Can't say as I learned one precisely. I got some advice from a mentor on this list, used much of it, and it seems to work. But I was curious where "it" originated(not realizing many different theories were being tossed about...:-). I jumped into this discussion a little late, and have since backtracked and read most of the posts. So I'm guilty of not actually having followed the first part of the thread. My method--and I blame nobody else-- 5ths and 12s as close to perfect as possible without making the octaves unlistenable, particularly in the treble from g5 up.. I do it by ear, as in the end, it is judged by ears. Don't know where it originated, but I am curious... I will try a P12 tuning and see how it differs. I think what we're all after is a really an open, expansive sound. I don't know how else to describe it. There seem to be many ways to achieve this. Dave Stahl
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