P12 in Tunelab Pro

[Bernhard Stopper]

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Dave Stahl wrote:

> Who originated this tuning method?  I may have missed something here =
somewhere...:-(=20


Dave,

I published this method in 1988 in the my "Stopper tuning - Equal =
temeperament based on pure duodecimos (12ths)" in the 3/1988 issue of =
the euro piano (european piano association magazine) about P12 tuning.

regards,

Bernhard Stopper

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Piannaman@aol.com=20
  To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 7:35 AM
  Subject: Re: P12 in Tunelab Pro


  David, John, Ric, List,=20

  I learned to tune this way about a year ago.  It makes decent pianos =
sound good, and good pianos sound great.  Can't say I do it on every =
rental spinet I tune, but I have fewer and fewer of those to contend =
with;  it has been a career altering educational experience for myself =
and my clients.  =20

  Pianos seem to expand, brighten, come to life.  One of my clients said =
his piano sounded louder.  Many have said that their pianos have never =
sounded so good, or in tune.  Very rewarding stuff, great technique.  =20

  Who originated this tuning method?  I may have missed something here =
somewhere...:-(=20

  Dave Stahl=20


  "I never met a perfect fifth I couldn't drink."  Jack Daniels=20

  In a message dated 6/1/04 9:33:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, =
bigda@gte.net writes:=20




    on 6/1/04 5:29 AM, John Formsma at john@formsmapiano.com wrote:=20

    > David Andersen responded:=20
    >> I don't think its usefulness is questionable at all---I use it =
every=20
    > time I=20
    >> tune, and following it has allowed me to become a really, really =
good=20
    > piano=20
    >> tuner.=20
    >=20
    > ..snip...=20
    >=20
    >> That said, my temperament and most of the octaves I set turn out =
to be=20
    > part=20
    >> of close-to-perfect 5ths and  12ths.=20
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    > David, I agree with you about Virgil's method. Whenever I tune (in =
ET)=20
    > that way, I end up with nearly pure 5ths and very nearly to pure =
12ths.=20
    > All the octaves are pure sounding when used in any combination.=20
    Exactly.=20
    >=20
    > There is something about it that allows you to tap into the hidden =
power=20
    > of that individual piano. I notice it EVERY time, whether it's a =
9'=20
    > Steinway or Yamaha U1 - it is a different and better sounding =
piano.=20
    EXACTLY.=20
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    > For me, it took a fair amount of listening and practicing to say, =
"Yes,=20
    > I can now hear what is there." But it was certainly worth it.=20
    I guess i was led into it by my teacher, Jack Cofer, when I first =
learned=20
    how to tune almost 30 years ago. Worth it for me? Yes times a =
million.=20
    >=20
    > Have you noticed that false beats in the treble are greatly =
minimized=20
    > when tuning this way?=20
    Absolutely, and it can cause many, many other psychoacoustic =
illusions as=20
    well:  bigger bass, more sustain, warmer voice, crisper, more even =
action=20
    regulation---I've heard all of these comments after just a real =
strong=20
    focused, natural beat aural tuning.  And the capper:=20
    "This sounds like a different piano; how'd you do that?"=20
    > Regards,=20
    >=20
    > John Formsma=20

    Hope this helps sincere tuners who want to really experience a =
consistently=20
    beautiful and precise and consistent tuning-----and have FUN doing =
it.=20

    Best,=20

    David Andersen=20



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