Ancient Backchecks?

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:12:28 -0700


Yep, if your hanging hammers. 

David I.



----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
From: Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:06:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Ancient Backchecks?

>Bill Spurlock has an excellent jig for this that takes the guesswork out of
>the process.

>Terry Farrell

>www.farrellpiano.com

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:57 PM
>Subject: RE: Ancient Backchecks?


>> Make sure your hammer tails are the correct shape...circular curve with a
>3 inch radius.   To understand that shape, use a compass with a 3 inch
>radius.    Clamp each section and use a drill with a sanding disk.   60
>grit.   Look at the shape of the drawing and approximate the curve of the
>hammer tails.   The  friction in hammer checking is the wedging of the
>hammer/center pin circle and the balance pin/backcheck circle.   A roughed
>up backcheck is mostly unnecessary if all else is right.    Also the back
>check should be as high as the hammer shank at rest.   Lower than that will
>cause problems.
>>
>> David I.
>>
>> ----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
>> From: Richard Cromwell <rcromwell1@msn.com>
>> To: 'Pianotech' <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> Received: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:10:20 -0400
>> Subject: Ancient Backchecks?
>>
>>
>> >Greetings List!
>>
>> >I have a question regarding this absolute nightmare of a piano action
>(1927
>> >Chickering - 5'8") I've been fortunate enough to have on my bench for the
>> >past few weeks.  After countless repairs, I get it back together and
>while
>> >rough regulating it I find it impossible to get consistent backchecking.
>>
>> >When the action is on the bench, I can get he hammers to check, a bit
>low...
>> >but at this point I'll take what I can get.  When I duplicate the string
>> >height over the hammers with a jig and then play a mezzo forte/fortissimo
>> >blow - I get mostly no checking and a lot of double bouncing.  The jack
>is
>> >escaping... so I can only come up with a few reasons why this is
>> >happening...
>>
>> >1. The rep spring is too strong... unfortunate because they are really
>> >difficult to get to on this beast. I don't think this is the culprit, or
>at
>> >least the only one.  My guess is...
>>
>> >2. The fact that the backcheck leather is 80 years old, misshapen and
>worn
>> >smooth as a baby's bottom where the hammers should be making contact.  It
>is
>> >almost to the point of being spongy in look and consistency.  Not leather
>> >like at all. This leads me to a few questions... is friction in regards
>to
>> >backchecking coming more from the wedge like positioning of the hammer
>and
>> >backcheck when they come into proper contact? Or, is it from the tail
>> >rubbing up against the rough surface of the leather? (I know the answer
>is
>> >probably a combination of both - but what I really want to know is how
>> >important is it to have good condition leather on the backchecks? - thus
>> >justifying their replacement.)
>>
>> >3. Also, at some point in this piano's lifetime a well meaning fellow
>> >attacked it in an attempt to repair it.  I can go on and on about the old
>> >botched repairs I've fixed and crooked keytops etc... But I won't.    But
>> >one thing I will mention is whomever it was put new hammers on the old
>> >shanks, could it be possible that they were bored and/or had their tails
>> >shaped incorrectly (too short) - thus leading to the checking problems.
>>
>> >Now if it is determined that the misshapen and ancient backchecks are
>indeed
>> >the guilty party and we ignore the misshapen hammer tail/improper boring
>> >hypothesis... I have never had the pleasure of replacing a set of
>> >backchecks, how difficult is it? I removed one as a test and it sure
>wasn't
>> >easy to get out, I can't imagine it being very easy to get the new ones
>back
>> >in.  There is little information out there on backcheck replacement... so
>I
>> >turn to you my esteemed colleagues! Please offer up any hints,
>experiences,
>> >help, aid, sources of information, etc. that you may have to offer.
>>
>> >Thanks in advance.
>>
>> >Richard Cromwell
>> >Cromwell's Piano Service
>> >Detroit-Windsor Chapter
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