1865 Style 2 S&S

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Hi
   15K Wholesale for a D is one thing but resale on  this old stwy item & a D 
could be miles apart. This stwy age &  relegates itself to antique pianos 
that many musicians will pass on. It's also  85 notes a course Yes they are fun 
I've done one as you describe & it  came out well. Plus did I say beautiful.
 
  I don't believe you can say with accuracy the plates  aren't built for 
modern tensions. The 1872 I did was scaled for A-458 yes I'm  sure. Don't be 
alarmed for at that pitch the tensions were in the 150 to 160 lb.  per string range 
which keep in mind is similar to A-440 tensions. There were  great standard 
pitch wars thru that time (ask Jack Greenfield) All the old ones  I tuned in 
the past were always dismal sounding at 440 & I always wondered  why till this 
experience.
 
  In my case I didn't discover the pitch problem  till the piano was strung 
with the original scale. Shame on me but the  piano did not sound well at 440. 
SO I calculated the whole  scale & tensions at 440 & they were really  low 
With the highest notes close to 100 lb. tension & not  speaking at all. It has 
very short string lengths up there as well & I would  suggest moving the top end 
of the bridge back as far as the plate will allow to  increase string length 
to as close to 50 mm on a-85 as  possible. 
    In a do over  I'd rescale it for  A-440
  That being said at A -458 the piano sound amazingly  good & easy to hear 
why Stwy so quickly gained its tonal reputuaion but I'm  sure A-458 would be 
disconcerting to any serious players sense of pitch  & a singers vocal range. 
Arrghh. 
   Dale
 
Terry wrote:

> Is that to imply that a MAJOR remanufacture job  differs significantly 
> from a minor remanufacture job?

It needs  it all and then some, I think..........

>  
> I believe  folks are paying upwards of $15K (or more?) for a 
> train-wrecked S&S  D that would need a full remanufacture job. Why 
> would this piano be so  different, apparently based only on the amount 
> of anticipated work it  might need?

I think it's different because of the age/plate/tension  factor. in 1865, 
tensions weren't what they are today. My thinking is the  plate would 
have to be reinforced to support today's tensions. I also  service a 9' 
Style2, and the plate in that piano was re manufactured because  it was 
cracked.

All things being equal, I think this is the  difference. I may be wrong, 
and will listen to others more knowlegable if I  am.

Phil Bondi(Fl)





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