---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Sarah, I jest dunno.... All I can say is : Find a decent grand and experiment. You'll be amazed. EAR On 17-aug-04, at 19:18, Sarah Fox wrote: > Hi Andre, Bernhard, > =A0 > I admit fully that I'm a novice and that I've never played around with=20= > this sort of thing.=A0 But still, the effect you discuss seems a bit=20= > odd.=A0 I can understand the adjustment having an impact on the=20 > feel/touch of the action, of course.=A0 Makes perfect sense.=A0 I = suspect=20 > there would be no performance benefits, per se, with regard to the=20 > action, but the creation of that certain "feel" could indeed give the=20= > action a more "positive" feel and give the pianist "inspiration." > =A0 > But the sound??? > =A0 > If I=A0am understanding you correctly, Bernhard, I think you are = saying=20 > that there is a bit of an added bump or=A0jolt when these two action=20= > events (the checking of the hammer and the bottoming of the key) occur=20= > in synchrony.=A0 This bump or jolt of course causes the strings to=20 > vibrate a bit more.=A0 Correct?=A0 It would be a similar effect to = holding=20 > down the damper pedal and knocking on the case with one's knuckles.=A0=20= > Right?=A0 If this is true, then would I be correct in assuming the=20 > benefit of this 2mm distance would mostly be felt much more with the=20= > damper pedal depressed, as the impulse would generate a low-level=20 > ringing throughout all 88 notes? > =A0 > Just speculating further, could the=A0noise of the action itself, = apart=20 > from string vibration, be contributing to a certain "crispness" in the=20= > sound?=A0 Yes, I know action noise is bad, but what I'm hearing here = is=20 > that it is sometimes good, at least in certain respects.=A0 A lot of=20= > things that are "bad" are really "good."=A0 Impurities give rubies and=20= > sapphires their color.=A0 Carcinogenic=A0breakdown products=A0give = barbeque=20 > its delicious flavor. > =A0 > Either way, if the sound is indeed affected, it seems to me that the=20= > benefit would be from the introduction of broadband noise, which is a=20= > peculiar concept, to say the least.=A0 Perhaps it is the same sort of=20= > openness that is experienced with the front and rear duplex segments=20= > unmuted.=A0 Perhaps there is a tradeoff between "clean" and "dirty"=20 > sound, the "dirty" sound having more of a feel of openness.=A0 I'm not=20= > saying this should or should not be the case -- or that any particular=20= > goal is good or bad.=A0 I'm the first to admit that I deplore most=20 > percussion instruments, but still I miss them when they are removed=20 > from the mix, and so I must reluctantly admit that they do play an=20 > important role in the total sound of the music!=A0 ;-)=A0 I'm also the=20= > first to admit that an overly "clean" sounding piano or a "nonechoic"=20= > room sounds unnaturally "dead" to me.=A0 This is ironic, since much of=20= > the energy in my research was focused on similating "perfect" acoustic=20= > environments with perfectly flat sound and no echoes.=A0 (But I HATED=20= > spending time in the booth, 'cuz it just felt creepy.)=A0 > =A0 > Does any of this seem to describe the effect that you are discussing? > =A0 > Peace, > Sarah > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: antares > To: Pianotech > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: back check, a magical mystery tour. > > > On 17-aug-04, at 9:50, Bernhard Stopper wrote: > > > Hello All, > =A0 > the energy of the hammer returned to the backcheck and the energy of=20= > the key to the keyframe=A0become synchronous with the said 2 = milimeters.=20 > If this two blows are synchronized, there is a higher pulse wave=20 > running through the instrument giving more additional energy to the=20 > string than when this two blows are time offset (and may cause phase=20= > losses=A0when reaching the string). > =A0 > As a second effect of this two blow synchronization at the 2=20 > milimeters s that the player=A0gets the impression when he reach the = key=20 > bottom (what produces a reaction force on his finger) and the blow of=20= > the hammer backcheck (what produces also a reaction force on his=20 > finger)=A0that he=A0touches the string with his fingertips what = gives=A0him=20 > more inspiration while playing. > =A0 > kind regards, > =A0 > Bernhard Stopper > =A0 > > Hello Bernard, > I appreciate your comment and highly value your knowledge. > It may be because of the fact that both you and me are not Englese,=20 > but I did not really understand what you are saying. > Could you try again? > (as I said before : I am just a jerk with a hammer) > > (; > > friendly greetings > from > Andr=E9 Oorebeek > > Amsterdam - > The Netherlands > > www.concertpianoservice.nl > www.grandpiano.nl > > "where music is, no harm can be" > friendly greetings from Andr=E9 Oorebeek Amsterdam - The Netherlands www.concertpianoservice.nl www.grandpiano.nl "where music is, no harm can be" ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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