String vibrations (was Re: Stuart)

David M. Porritt dm.porritt@verizon.net
Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:26:42 -0500


Ron:

Why could Stephen Paulello's bridge agraffe design not be used for trichords?  A set of holes could be drilled to allow a middle string to be installed.  Granted, installing it would be a minor pain, but it could be done.

dave


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David M. Porritt, RPT
Meadows School of the Arts
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX 75275


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From: Overs Pianos <sec@overspianos.com.au>
To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:41:45 +1000
Subject: Re: String vibrations (was Re: Stuart)

>>At 8:25 AM -0700 22/9/03, Joseph Garrett wrote:
>>It seems that the better sustain and clarity of the bridge agraffe is not
>>due to the direction of the vibration, but simply because it provides a
>>better termination (all metal) than the conventional bridge pin and wood
>>termination.
>>What do you think?

>Hi Joe,

>Yes, I suspect that when the agraffe is firmly fixed to the bridge 
>(and they don't seem always to be, since they can exhibit falseness 
>as well), they will produce a cleaner tone with better sustain than a 
>conventionally pinned bridge. Like Phil Ford, I don't subscribe to 
>the theory of any termination being capable of influencing the mode 
>of vibration. Furthermore if it did, as Phil also mentioned, this 
>would lead to a reduction in sustain with a higher initial sound 
>pressure level. While I have no doubt that a properly executed bridge 
>agraffe system could be very good, I suspect that some of the claimed 
>benefits attributed to it is just 'smoke and mirrors'.

>Two things worry me about using bridge agraffes (I admit that I am 
>interested in using them at some point).

>The first is that the agraffe takes up valuable bridge height. If, 
>for example, the string plane is say 8 mm higher than the bridge on 
>account of the agraffe taking up the space, a piano with such an 
>agraffe will have only 24 mm high bridges if the string plane is 32 
>mm above the panel. I consider 24 mm as an inadequate height for the 
>long bridge, and all pianos which I have so far experienced with such 
>low bridges seem to exhibit tonal problems. Therefore, the bridge 
>agraffe should be designed with the lowest practical height between 
>the top of the bridge and the string plane. Alternatively, one could 
>build a panel with another bridge under the sound board as Grotrian 
>did with some of their early grand pianos, but this would push the 
>cost of the piano up quite a bit.

>The second concern I have with using bridge agraffes is fixing them 
>permanently to the bridge. Of the bridge agraffed pianos I have 
>heard, I suspect that this can be a problem. It may be possible to 
>achieve a good connection by using West system glue between the 
>agraffe and the bridge, and using machine screws to secure the 
>agraffe to the bridge, while at the same time gluing them into the 
>bridge with West system. Stephen Paulello's agraffes are glued to the 
>bridge. Take a look again at the following close-up image of his 
>agraffe. A light blue adhesive can be seen at the junction of the 
>agraffe with the bridge.

>http://www.overspianos.com.au/plello1.jpg

>Notice also that its quite a good design since it has a low height 
>from the bridge to the string plane. Unfortunately, this design could 
>not be used for trichord stringing.

>Ron O.


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