And about some Steingraeber grand, I herard that the scaling/plate design was admitely (by Steingraeber himself) find in archives, and the grandfather (or even before) of Udo Shiedmayer originate the model. Does not mean it is a bad thing, just that the model and scaling was recognized from an older model, that was discontinued or very few produced. That is all I've heard, the piano itself I did not. but I like the brand as a fine one, their verticals are first class. Best Isaac OLEG Entretien et réparation de pianos. PianoTech 17 rue de Choisy 94400 VITRY sur SEINE FRANCE tel : 033 01 47 18 06 98 fax : 033 01 47 18 06 90 cell: 06 60 42 58 77 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org > [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la > part de Michael Gamble > Envoyé : samedi 25 octobre 2003 08:50 > À : pianotech@ptg.org > Objet : Fw: Wurzen felt > > > Andre, my friend, you're a fount of knowledge and I thank > you for this > information which I shall study. Currently my six year old > is packing his > suitcase... we're going on holiday for a week so I shall > not be on this site > again until November 3rd. :-). > Regards > Michael G (somewhere in the UK) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Corina Gamble" <corina@gambles.fsnet.co.uk> > To: "Michael Gamble" <michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 12:32 AM > Subject: Fw: Wurzen felt > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <antares@euronet.nl> > > To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:16 PM > > Subject: Wurzen felt > > > > > > > > On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 11:30 Europe/Amsterdam, > Michael Gamble > > wrote: > > > > > Andre - Could you dig out some info on the piano make > "Steingraeber" I > > > have > > > never heard of it in the UK and my puny knowledge needs > up-grading. > > > They > > > seem to be another "Fazioli", Right? Please post specs > and data if you > > > can. > > > Regards > > > Michael G (UK) > > > > > > OK, > > Steingraeber is not a Fazioli. > > They have been in the field much longer and so they got a > 'background'. > > It is the same with buildings, old and new : A bunch of > new buildings > > have no personality, yet, an older bunch of buildings we > call a town. > > An old town has, usually, personality, or not. > > Compare Steingraeber with Oxford, and you know exactly > what I mean. > > Steingraeber is not Ferrari, Mercedes or BMW (yet). Compare > > Steingraeber with Rover, Lancia, and Jaguar, and you probably > > understand what I am saying. > > > > For more specific info, go to : > > > > http://www.steingraeber.de/ > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Gamble" <michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk> > > > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:17 AM > > > Subject: Fw: Fw: Steingraeber by candle light....../felt > > > > > > > > > Thanks Andre for your enlightenment. For some odd > reason I know the > > > name > > > "Wieckert" although the early 1900s was a bit before my time.:-) > > > > From your posts to Pianotech I assume that your age is somewhere > > between 28 and 32 (?) > > > > > What about > > > "Royal George" then :-) > > > > Royal george we found for some time on Yamaha's. > > > > > What felts do Fazioli > > > > Fazioli has made use of Abel, so far. > > > > > > > and Steinway use I wonder? > > > > Steinway has always used the very best felt available and > today they, > > of course, use Wurzen. > > You see Michael, this is actually very interesting for all of us : > > In the old days, almost everybody used Weickert/Wurzen. > > Then the Commies decided to enlarge their territory and > the East of > > Germany fell into their greedy red hands. > > That marks the end of the Wurzen era and the beginning of > decades of > > lousy hammer felt. > > The older European technicians may clearly remember the > difference : > > the going down in quality of the former majestic > instrument builders > > and the rise of those awful East European and Russian > crappola pianos > > like Zimmerman, Tschaika, Czerny, the rape of a name like > Rhönisch and > > Perzina, the appearance of cheap Petrofs, Röslers and > Försters with > > really really awful hammers (felt). > > > > And then........ > > After the fall of the Berlin wall and the reunification of the two > > Germany's, the coming back of Wurzen felt, because the > former owners > > were able to retrieve their former possessions. > > > > I was probably among the first technicians here to become > aware of the > > new felt on the market (by sheer coincidence) and > recognize the instant > > improvement in quality. > > No wonder I wrote so many e-mails about it, and after all > it does not > > surprise me that still only a limited amount of people > know about the > > finest of the finest. > > I consider myself as a typical example of an ordinary > technician with a > > reasonable amount of talent and with actually a lower grade piano > > education. I have spent many years of my 'profession' > milling around > > like a Don Quichotte without really having any practical > knowledge. It > > happens to most of us because our awareness and > consciousness of real > > quality and substantial improvements usually comes with age and > > experience, or because we were blessed and privileged > with good Karma > > and kind benefactors. > > Knowledge is the key to understanding and then the process of > > understanding is not like an instant coffee... > > If I had known that etc etc....... > > > > > It > > > doesn't matter what the subject is, there's always a > gap in one's > > > knowledge:-! > > > > Thanks! You got it! > > > > > > > Regards > > > Michael G (UK) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <antares@euronet.nl> > > > To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:53 PM > > > Subject: Re: Fw: Steingraeber by candle light...... > > > > > > > > > > > > On donderdag, okt 23, 2003, at 20:44 Europe/Amsterdam, > Michael Gamble > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Please Ande Oorebeek, What is WURZEN? It sounds like > some Harry Potter > > >> solution. ;-) > > >> Regards > > >> Michael G (UK) > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: <antares@euronet.nl> > > >> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:27 PM > > >> Subject: Re: Steingraeber by candle light...... > > > > > > > > > Wurzen, Michael, is the name of a place in the East of germany. > > > It is the place where the finest hammer felt in the > world is made > > > today. > > > Wurzen felt is called after the name of the place. > > > > > > It used to be called Weickert felt around the 1900 's > and all the great > > > piano makers used it then. > > > today, STW uses it, along with Bösendorfer, Bechstein, > Yamaha handmade, > > > Steingraeber, and many others. > > > > > > It is just a matter of taste and the musical ability to > distinguish the > > > difference in quality between felt and felt. > > > > > > In the past I have written many words about this. > > > The archives will tell you more. > > > > > > André Oorebeek > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pianotech list info: > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pianotech list info: > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pianotech list info: > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
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