Hi Alan, You don't mention which "machine" you purchased. A better route might be to tune as if the box were not there--and check each note of your temperament against it. Then start "leaving out" box checking on some notes--for example the c#4 in the Foli-Baldassin-Sandison temperament. At 01:35 PM 1/19/2003 -0600, you wrote: >I love this answer. Bravo! > >When asked (and some potential customers do ask) "Do you tune by ear or do >you use one of those machines?" the answers is "Yes, I do." > >Then I explain as you have outlined here. > >I'm sure that people W/O an ETD usually learn aural tuning much faster out >of sheer necessity--but I had to make a living as a tuner starting about a >month after I got the good ol' Potter course materials. As I had no other >training and no mentors anywhere near here, I could not have done it without >my little machine (bought used, ebay). Then I had to "back into" learning >many aural skills, again on my own, and there is no doubt having the >machine can be a crutch--it takes practice, i.e., work, to become good at >the aural. > >I'm thinking it would be good for me to lock the machine away for 6 months >and let necessity motivate me to get better and faster and more trusting of >my ears. But it's a little scary, too! > >Alan Barnard >Salem, MO > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charles Neuman" <piano@charlesneuman.net> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org> >Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 9:39 AM >Subject: Aural vs. electronic again, was "Re: Another newbie question" > > >> From: Bill Ballard <yardbird@vermontel.net> >> > Are you aural or electronic? (not a trick question, BTW) >> >> Maybe it's not a trick question, but I'm not so new that I don't know the >> dangers of answering that question! I carefully avoided the recent >> discussion on it. I also know it's against PTG policy to advertise that >> one way is better than the other. But I'll take my chances. Here's my >> answer: >> >> I would say I'm an electronic-assisted aural tuner, or becoming one. If >> I'm going fast, I suppose I'm more of an electronic tuner. But when I'm >> practicing and taking my time, I use the ETD as a check for what I am >> doing aurally. By the way, I bought an old laptop, and I use TuneLab. >> >> Ideally, I'd aspire to be like Jim Coleman Sr. (and who wouldn't?). He >> makes use of every possible feature of the SAT, but is obviously one of >> the best aural tuners we have as well. >> >> I guess the message I get is that the ETD is a useful tool, but ultimately >> it's best to think of tuning as an aural activity. >> >> As for using an ETD to learn, I have found it to be very helpful. By the >> way, if you really want to hear a "newbie" question, somewhere way back in >> the archives I said that I used one of those chromatic guitar tuners! >> Fortunately people set me straight. It wasn't quite a flame-worthy >> question apparently, but I haven't used the chromatic tuner since. >> However, I have to admit that it did give me a pretty good tuning on my >> smaller piano (I now also have a larger vertical). My theory is that it >> provided a non-equal temperament that has key color, which is why it >> sounded good. (Heck, I might as well walk into two minefields today.) >> >> At the Convention, when I took the evening class on taking the RPT test, >> given by the RCT guys, they had differing opinions on how to use an ETD to >> practice. One said to tune the temperament aurally and THEN check it with >> an ETD. The other said it's useful to look at the ETD WHILE you are tuning >> your temperament. They would probably admit that each way has its place, >> but it was interesting to hear the two opinions expressed. >> >> Charles Neuman >> PTG Assoc, Long Island >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > >_______________________________________________ >pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > Regards, Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.M.T., R.P.T. mailto:pianotuna@accesscomm.ca http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/ 3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK S4S 5G7 306-352-3620 or 1-888-29t-uner
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