tuning in noisy environments.

[Isaac OLEG]

Hello,

The amplified tone have not much to do with what we tune when tuning
unisons, so I believe it would not help.

Tuning thru a amplification system I've done a few times and the tone
had not relief, it was straight and not lively enough ,( but good
enough for rock & roll).

I've read of an effect called "masking effect" that gives us a more
acute hearing when in noisy situations.

I have "tuned" pianos while many musicians of the orchestra where in
the place and warming, but as long as some melody can be hear I can't
really hear, if I can have the sound heard as noise, then I can almost
tune.

What I can hear is the energy of unisons even if a lot of noise
around. But talking about flavor of intervals is another story.

I believe that we can regulate the level of hearing we use (as when
using earplugs) and stick to a lower level of precision, if necessary.

Have a good week everyone.

Isaac OLEG



> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la
> part de Sarah Fox
> Envoyé : dimanche 24 novembre 2002 18:54
> À : Pianotech
> Objet : Re: tuning in noisy environments.
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just a thought for you all.  I don't know how it would
> work, but it couldn't
> hurt to try it....
>
> If you have to tune in a difficult environment and need to weed out
> extraneous noise, how about using a contact microphone
> (a.k.a. soundingboard
> microphone), feeding to an amplifier, feeding to a pair of can-type
> headsets???  You'd only be listening to the vibrations of
> the soundingboard
> and not to the airborne vibrations around you.
>
> Take it or leave it... :-)
>
> Peace,
> Sarah
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos@earthlink.net>
> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: tuning in noisy environments.
>
>
> > Though it's certainly possible to get the job done in a
> relatively noisy
> > environment, there is no question that my tunings are
> better when it is
> > quiet, especially in the extremes.  An ETD can help.  But
> the thread
> started
> > with the question of when and how to communicate with the
> customer that
> the
> > environment is not conducive to doing the best work.  I
> recall when I was
> > just starting out, going to a customers home and when I
> sat down to start
> > tuning, the customer was joined by another person in the
> same room to sit
> > down and conduct a conversation.  I was too new and
> intimidated to ask
> that
> > they leave or be quiet.  By the time I was done, I was so
> aggravated by
> the
> > situation that who knows what kind of job I did.  Only
> afterward did I
> > realize that I would have been much better off making my
> demands for
> > silence.  If I end up not doing such a good job because of the
> environment,
> > and somebody hears later that the tuning was not so good,
> they will not
> > consider the mitigating factors, only that I didn't do my
> job so well.
> When
> > the situation cannot be controlled, then you do your
> best.  But when you
> can
> > do something, you owe it to yourself to speak up.
> >
> > David Love
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Kurta" <mkurta@adelphia.net>
> > To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: November 24, 2002 8:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: tuning in noisy environments.
> >
> >
> >     Hi Guys & Gals:
> >     Speaking from lots of experience tuning in noisy
> environments, i.e.
> > casinos, entertainment venues, nursing home bingo games,
> etc, may I  add
> > some comments:
> > Unless extraneous noise is SO loud as to really interfere
> with hearing the
> > piano, I've found it is mainly a mental distraction.
> Unless it is easily
> > reduced or eliminated, mind training to discriminate and
> mentally shut out
> > the unwanted noise helps.  Its not easy to do (don't think of an
> elephant),
> > but with practice it works.  Focusing on the job at hand,
> and not letting
> > the distracting noise bother has helped me.
> >     Mike Kurta
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don" <pianotuna@accesscomm.ca>
> > To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:19 AM
> > Subject: tuning in noisy environments.
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I find that soft sounds interfer with my tuning skills
> far more than
> > > moderately loud ones. I.e. if it doesn't drown out the
> piano's voice I
> can
> > > tune through the extranious sounds. What I hate tuning
> through is a
> clock
> > > ticking in the room. That disrupts me and slows me down
> more than any
> > other
> > > sound I've found so far.
> > >
> > > At 09:04 PM 11/23/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Yes, tune aurally only.  Would listening to piano
> music confuse a
> > machine?
> > > >>Arthur
> > > >
> > > >Probably not. So what you've got with the Mozart, is
> either a holistic
> > > >analog subjective comparative ETD, or the endorphins.
> Realistically, we
> > can
> > > >talk ourselves into, or out of, hearing what we're
> doing with tuning to
> a
> > > >greater degree than we will normally acknowledge. I
> can, and do, easily
> > > >ignore overhead ceiling fans and television newscasts
> without insipid
> > theme
> > > >songs, but find inane conversation, running water, and
> anything that
> > > >clinks, crackles, or rattles difficult to get around.
> The degree of
> > > >detriment of the background noise to tuning is very
> much dependent on
> the
> > > >aggravation level. I would guess Barry Manilo possibly wouldn't
> decrease
> > > >your tuning stress level all that much.
> > > >
> > > >Ron N
> > > >
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> >
> > Regards,
> > Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.M.T., R.P.T. Tuner for the
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of
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