>If the tone only lasts 3 to 4 seconds, what kind of piano is this that all >other features such as strings, hammers, board, action and tuning are >correct? Sounds like something is broke to me. > >Terry Farrell Well now, I'm glad you asked. I happen to have a few highly unsolicited, unscientific, and subjective unauthorized measurements of sustain times from revered random duplex scale patent products I collected as I encountered them early this year. Times in seconds were noted from a firm blow, to when the perceived sound became indistinguishable from background noise, as nearly as I could tell. Dampers down, by the way. C-8 C-7 C-6 C-5 S&S L : 1.5 5 9.5 12 S&S B : 1 3 5 10 S&S D : 2.5 5 8 13 This particular D was, in my experience, extraordinary in it's last octave sustain. The 1.5 to 2 second range being statistically more likely. This obviously isn't much of a sampling of the total number of beneficiaries of THE tuned duplex patent, but you (all) can take your own samplings and fill out the cross section as you wish. I'd be curious to know the highs, lows, and averages if you do. Also in my experience, when strings, hammers, board, action, and tuning are anywhere near "correct", these sustain figures tend to be considerably higher with no hint whatsoever of a tuned duplex. Build a decent soundboard, put a decent compatible string scale on it, give it some back scale length so it can move, and you can get good tone and sustain without duplex scaling. Approximate projected sustain times from Dan's figures after tuning duplexes are: C-8 C-7 C-6 C-5 2-12.5 6-25 10-47.5 20-67.5 If the very worst examples of sustain I have here could be improved by 100% by duplex tuning, they could be brought into the range of the best examples I have here of presumably un-tuned duplexes. After all, if any of these were already tuned, no improvements would be expected. If the best examples I have here would be improved in sustain by 500%, they would be brought into the range of the fountain of Lourdes. So let's try the other way. Let's improve the worst by 500%, and the best by 100%, presuming that the low performance examples are being held back from their full performance potential by poorly tuned tuned duplexes - accounting for their not altogether impressive showing. We then get: C-8 C-7 C-6 C-5 5-5 10-15 19-25 24-50 From my random sampling, I can apparently be assured of getting at least 5, 10, 19, and 24 seconds from C-8, 7, 6, and 5 respectively just by tuning the duplexes. That's a pretty remarkable claim. Can I presume there is a money back guarantee on the purchase of the tools sold specifically for this job, and compensation for the time wasted performing the duplex tuning correction by the official procedure, should these minimum sustain figures not prove to be obtainable by these methods? Still, if any improvement at all is detectable, it would be worth doing, since it's already designed in and we're stuck with it. Ron N
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