Steinway parts - whippen heel

[David Love]

Whichever, the point was that it didn't quite fit correctly whereas another
manufacturer's parts might have.

David Love


----- Original Message -----
From: "Isaac OLEG SIMANOT" <oleg-i@wanadoo.fr>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: May 12, 2002 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: Steinway parts - whippen heel


> David ,
>
> Are you sure that the heel was the responsible ?
>
> Was not it the jack's height a little more than on the original parts ?
did
> you check that closely ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Isaac OLEG
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part
> > de David Love
> > Envoyé : dimanche 12 mai 2002 17:46
> > À : pianotech@ptg.org
> > Objet : Re: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts
> >
> >
> > By profile I meant the height of the wippen heel.  Sometimes it drives
the
> > capstans too low.  I didn't know that about Abel shanks.
> >
> > David Love
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Isaac OLEG SIMANOT" <oleg-i@wanadoo.fr>
> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: May 12, 2002 3:25 AM
> > Subject: RE: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts
> >
> >
> > > Hello David,
> > >
> > > Been told that Abel shanks are Japan made. Used it once, and did not
> > > appreciate them a lot (profile not very good and strange wood)
> > >
> > > The profile on Renner parts (I believe you talk about the olive
> > & whippen
> > > flange) seems to work fine for me, anyway for replacement parts they
are
> > as
> > > good as I expect them.
> > > Are you speaking of the flat part in the profile ground vs.
> > rounded shape
> > on
> > > originals. This seems to change nothing in papering, actually,
> > if we don't
> > > paper all along.
> > >
> > > Even when stressed, the profile don't move, so I am expecting it to
work
> > > well in time (not warping, etc)
> > > But may be you don't have the same as mine, I will take a
> > picture of some
> > if
> > > someone wish, could post it privately (whippen, shanks & hammers)
> > >
> > > The profile on the Renner hammers sold by Renner is not very
> > suitable for
> > > Steinway in my HO, the felt is not shaped in a way we can obtain the
> > correct
> > > shape with filing (for German type S&S). Some better suitable
> > parts can be
> > > available on inquiry, but this should be a little expensive to send
them
> > to
> > > you may be.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Isaac OLEG
> > > .
> > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org
> > [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part
> > > > de David Love
> > > > Envoyé : dimanche 12 mai 2002 08:21
> > > > À : pianotech@ptg.org
> > > > Objet : Re: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Renner parts on Steinways sometimes work fine, but not always.
> > Sometimes
> > > > the profile is wrong and the convergence line isn't correct.  The
> > Steinway
> > > > wippens and shanks that I've seen recently  have been fine, though
in
> > the
> > > > past they had lots of problems with pinning and warping.  I still
use
> > > > Steinway hammers frequently and though they need lacquering to
> > > > build tone, I
> > > > like what you get from them.  Renner blues are a good hammer, but I
> > don't
> > > > really care for the tone on a Steinway.  Ronsen's would be my next
> > choice.
> > > > I also have had good success with Abel shanks, the jury is still
> > > > out on the
> > > > wippens.  We are fortunate that with Steinway there are many
> > choices of
> > > > manufacturers for parts.
> > > >
> > > > David Love
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "D.L. Bullock" <dlbullock@att.net>
> > > > To: "Pianotech@Ptg. Org" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > > > Sent: May 11, 2002 9:48 AM
> > > > Subject: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have had almost idential experience with "Jenn-you-whine"
Steinway
> > > > parts.
> > > > > My answer is the same for Steinways as for any other fine piano
> > > > > rebuild---Renner, Renner, Renner.  Hammers need almost no
> > > > voicing, shanks
> > > > > are great and wippens are great.  You cannot go wrong with the
three
> > way
> > > > > Renner rebuild.  You must get them from Renner USA and Lloyd Meyer
> > (sp?)
> > > > in
> > > > > Carefree, Arizona.  From anywhere else you may pay too much.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am very distressed about Steinway using Polyurethane glue.  Hot
> > animal
> > > > > Hide glue is all I would ever want to use for Hammers.
> > > > >
> > > > > D.L. Bullock
> > > > > www.thepianoworld.com
> > > > > St. Louis
> > > > >
> > > > > Original message---------------
> > > > > Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:22:49 -0500
> > > > > From: "Greg Torres" <Tunapiana440@cox.net>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: 1969 Steinway L CBS?
> > > > >
> > > > > FWIW...
> > > > >
> > > > > My latest and perhaps my last experience with Steinway
> > parts was not a
> > > > good
> > > > > one. I did a partial action rebuild recently for a customer's
> > > > 'M' because
> > > > of
> > > > > bad verdigree which consisted of hammers, shanks/flanges and
> > > > whipens . The
> > > > > customer insisted on genuine Steinway parts. As there was (and I
> > believe
> > > > > still is) a weird factory schedule going on at the time (last
> > > > November) I
> > > > > was not able to receive the pre-hung set of hammers and shanks
they
> > > > offered
> > > > > so I had to go with separate hammer and shank/flange sets. The
> > > > quality of
> > > > > the hammers was awful IMO and the average difference between the
> > hammer
> > > > bore
> > > > > and shank diameter was so great that the hammers literally rocked
on
> > the
> > > > > shanks as much as 7-8 degrees. I sent this first set of hammers
> > > > and shanks
> > > > > back and when the second sets came back the hammers were even
worse
> > > > quality
> > > > > than the first and the bore/shank diameter was the same. For
> > > > example, the
> > > > > thickness of the reinforcement felt on the extreme treble
> > hammers was
> > > > about
> > > > > 1/8" compared to the original hammers which were about 1/32"
> > > > thick. These
> > > > > hammers were more like sponges! I had to literally saturate
> > > > these hammers
> > > > in
> > > > > hardner.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I got a call from Steinway because they received my returned
> > parts
> > > > and
> > > > > said that there was nothing wrong with the "fit" ....WTF? When
> > > > I gave them
> > > > > the specs of the original hammer bore they said that the
> > loose fit is
> > > > normal
> > > > > and that the factory can only bore their hammers to that of what I
> > > > received,
> > > > > so if I didn't like this loose a fit then either send them back
> > > > (again, I
> > > > > lose money on my time, shipping and insurance, etc) or use
> > polyurethane
> > > > > glue...
> > > > >
> > > > > Because of time constraints and an increasing monetary loss
> > I wound up
> > > > using
> > > > > these crappy parts and polyurethane glue, you know, the kind
> > > > that expands
> > > > to
> > > > > fill gaps...
> > > > >
> > > > > I will not ever buy genuine Steinway parts again unless the
customer
> > > > > absolutely insists. And then I certainly will charge a hell of
> > > > a lot more
> > > > > money for repairs. Also, I got a call back from the client a
> > > > few days ago
> > > > > still wanting more brilliance in the treble...so I have to go back
> > next
> > > > week
> > > > > and try more hardener or perhaps (yikes!!) different hammers...
> > > > >
> > > > > BUT, I will end this rant by saying that the quality of the
original
> > > > > Steinway parts was very very good, except for the verdigree
> > problem. I
> > > > saved
> > > > > them with thoughts of rebushing them perhaps. But I have heard
that
> > the
> > > > > verdigree will eventually come back even by doing this...
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > PS If anyone can recommend suppliers of substitute (read: better?)
> > > > > hammers/parts for Steinways I am all ears...Thanks
> > > > >
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