Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts

[Isaac OLEG SIMANOT]

David, all,

Will soon be available whippen with the heel as a separate part, an angled
one is on its way too, plus more good ideas I believe.

Email me privately for more if you wish.

Regards.

Isaac OLEG



> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part
> de David Love
> Envoyé : dimanche 12 mai 2002 17:46
> À : pianotech@ptg.org
> Objet : Re: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts
>
>
> By profile I meant the height of the wippen heel.  Sometimes it drives the
> capstans too low.  I didn't know that about Abel shanks.
>
> David Love
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Isaac OLEG SIMANOT" <oleg-i@wanadoo.fr>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: May 12, 2002 3:25 AM
> Subject: RE: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts
>
>
> > Hello David,
> >
> > Been told that Abel shanks are Japan made. Used it once, and did not
> > appreciate them a lot (profile not very good and strange wood)
> >
> > The profile on Renner parts (I believe you talk about the olive
> & whippen
> > flange) seems to work fine for me, anyway for replacement parts they are
> as
> > good as I expect them.
> > Are you speaking of the flat part in the profile ground vs.
> rounded shape
> on
> > originals. This seems to change nothing in papering, actually,
> if we don't
> > paper all along.
> >
> > Even when stressed, the profile don't move, so I am expecting it to work
> > well in time (not warping, etc)
> > But may be you don't have the same as mine, I will take a
> picture of some
> if
> > someone wish, could post it privately (whippen, shanks & hammers)
> >
> > The profile on the Renner hammers sold by Renner is not very
> suitable for
> > Steinway in my HO, the felt is not shaped in a way we can obtain the
> correct
> > shape with filing (for German type S&S). Some better suitable
> parts can be
> > available on inquiry, but this should be a little expensive to send them
> to
> > you may be.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Isaac OLEG
> > .
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org
> [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part
> > > de David Love
> > > Envoyé : dimanche 12 mai 2002 08:21
> > > À : pianotech@ptg.org
> > > Objet : Re: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts
> > >
> > >
> > > Renner parts on Steinways sometimes work fine, but not always.
> Sometimes
> > > the profile is wrong and the convergence line isn't correct.  The
> Steinway
> > > wippens and shanks that I've seen recently  have been fine, though in
> the
> > > past they had lots of problems with pinning and warping.  I still use
> > > Steinway hammers frequently and though they need lacquering to
> > > build tone, I
> > > like what you get from them.  Renner blues are a good hammer, but I
> don't
> > > really care for the tone on a Steinway.  Ronsen's would be my next
> choice.
> > > I also have had good success with Abel shanks, the jury is still
> > > out on the
> > > wippens.  We are fortunate that with Steinway there are many
> choices of
> > > manufacturers for parts.
> > >
> > > David Love
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "D.L. Bullock" <dlbullock@att.net>
> > > To: "Pianotech@Ptg. Org" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > > Sent: May 11, 2002 9:48 AM
> > > Subject: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have had almost idential experience with "Jenn-you-whine" Steinway
> > > parts.
> > > > My answer is the same for Steinways as for any other fine piano
> > > > rebuild---Renner, Renner, Renner.  Hammers need almost no
> > > voicing, shanks
> > > > are great and wippens are great.  You cannot go wrong with the three
> way
> > > > Renner rebuild.  You must get them from Renner USA and Lloyd Meyer
> (sp?)
> > > in
> > > > Carefree, Arizona.  From anywhere else you may pay too much.
> > > >
> > > > I am very distressed about Steinway using Polyurethane glue.  Hot
> animal
> > > > Hide glue is all I would ever want to use for Hammers.
> > > >
> > > > D.L. Bullock
> > > > www.thepianoworld.com
> > > > St. Louis
> > > >
> > > > Original message---------------
> > > > Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:22:49 -0500
> > > > From: "Greg Torres" <Tunapiana440@cox.net>
> > > > Subject: Re: Re: 1969 Steinway L CBS?
> > > >
> > > > FWIW...
> > > >
> > > > My latest and perhaps my last experience with Steinway
> parts was not a
> > > good
> > > > one. I did a partial action rebuild recently for a customer's
> > > 'M' because
> > > of
> > > > bad verdigree which consisted of hammers, shanks/flanges and
> > > whipens . The
> > > > customer insisted on genuine Steinway parts. As there was (and I
> believe
> > > > still is) a weird factory schedule going on at the time (last
> > > November) I
> > > > was not able to receive the pre-hung set of hammers and shanks they
> > > offered
> > > > so I had to go with separate hammer and shank/flange sets. The
> > > quality of
> > > > the hammers was awful IMO and the average difference between the
> hammer
> > > bore
> > > > and shank diameter was so great that the hammers literally rocked on
> the
> > > > shanks as much as 7-8 degrees. I sent this first set of hammers
> > > and shanks
> > > > back and when the second sets came back the hammers were even worse
> > > quality
> > > > than the first and the bore/shank diameter was the same. For
> > > example, the
> > > > thickness of the reinforcement felt on the extreme treble
> hammers was
> > > about
> > > > 1/8" compared to the original hammers which were about 1/32"
> > > thick. These
> > > > hammers were more like sponges! I had to literally saturate
> > > these hammers
> > > in
> > > > hardner.
> > > >
> > > > Then I got a call from Steinway because they received my returned
> parts
> > > and
> > > > said that there was nothing wrong with the "fit" ....WTF? When
> > > I gave them
> > > > the specs of the original hammer bore they said that the
> loose fit is
> > > normal
> > > > and that the factory can only bore their hammers to that of what I
> > > received,
> > > > so if I didn't like this loose a fit then either send them back
> > > (again, I
> > > > lose money on my time, shipping and insurance, etc) or use
> polyurethane
> > > > glue...
> > > >
> > > > Because of time constraints and an increasing monetary loss
> I wound up
> > > using
> > > > these crappy parts and polyurethane glue, you know, the kind
> > > that expands
> > > to
> > > > fill gaps...
> > > >
> > > > I will not ever buy genuine Steinway parts again unless the customer
> > > > absolutely insists. And then I certainly will charge a hell of
> > > a lot more
> > > > money for repairs. Also, I got a call back from the client a
> > > few days ago
> > > > still wanting more brilliance in the treble...so I have to go back
> next
> > > week
> > > > and try more hardener or perhaps (yikes!!) different hammers...
> > > >
> > > > BUT, I will end this rant by saying that the quality of the original
> > > > Steinway parts was very very good, except for the verdigree
> problem. I
> > > saved
> > > > them with thoughts of rebushing them perhaps. But I have heard that
> the
> > > > verdigree will eventually come back even by doing this...
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > PS If anyone can recommend suppliers of substitute (read: better?)
> > > > hammers/parts for Steinways I am all ears...Thanks
> > > >
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